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Which will you choose? (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/memes@lemmy.ml
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[–] 125 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I don’t know why people keep attributing privacy to Lemmy when ActivityPub is anything but.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from? Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view? Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Is ActivityPub logging which IP I post from?

    That depends on the implementation.

    Is ActivityPub monitoring which communities I view?

    That depends on the implementation.

    Is ActivityPub blocking me from browsing with my VPN on?

    That—believe it or not—depends on the implementation.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    We already have an implementation. You me and OP are all on Lemmy. So can you answer these in the context of Lemmy again?

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    I actually can’t answer them, because I only admin this instance, I don’t run it.

    While I’m sure this is not the case, it’s entirely possible that the people who do run this instance are running a fork of it that does all of those things. It couldn’t log your IP address or block your VPN, but it could mine, and your instance could yours. And I haven’t read the Lemmy source code, so I don’t know what even an unmodified Lemmy logs.

    (Actually this instance is running a fork right now, or rather a branch: 0.19.6-beta1, because lemmy.ml is the core Lemmy developers’ instance for testing beta code before releasing production versions.)

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  • [–] 18 points 2 years ago

    But you can read the source code and get an understanding of whether it is collecting private information or not. You can theoretically also fork the code and make your own version of Lemmy where you're ripped out the parts that collect private information. Can you do any of those things with Reddit? Absolutely not. You have no idea what exactly Reddit collects and even if you did you have no control over that collection.

    What you're doing is questioning the privacy aspect without putting in the effort to check if your questioning is valid. Nobody is preventing you from reading the source code. And if you don't trust anyone else running the instance you can fork Lemmy, make whatever privacy changes you need and host your own instance. That goes beyond the capabilities of the average user but that's the catch with privacy, if you can't trust others then you have to learn more to get by without others.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    I got off lemmy.world because they block VPN connections. Not happening, under any circumstances. I don't trust anyone that much.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Is your IP passed on to other instances along with your post/comment?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    Trust them with what though? What are you posting?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Did you just do the "if you don't have anything to hide, what's the big deal" move?

    I want privacy. That's all.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm just saying that you're literally making posts and comments specifically to be heard. What's getting obscured here?

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And generally that's fine. If you're posting stuff publicly, expect it to be public.

    Lemmy gives away for free what Reddit is desperately trying to put up walls on so they can sell it, but I wouldn't call it "private" because it's monetized.

    Lemmy is the opposite of privacy, and that just makes sense if you 🤔.

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  • [+] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    In terms of privacy reddit has it better(still bad but better than Lemmy) because your content is locked behind a paywall only few companies can access. On the other hand, any one can train their AI on Lemmy posts and access all history of all users freely. The difference is that on lemmy only the companies that collect your data profit, while on reddit also the owners of the platform (reddit itself) profit.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, it's just open free for the taking by anyone who decides to spin up their own instance, or to anyone who decides to scrape from an instance frederated with yours without robots.txt set against web scrapers. Hosters could even intentionally break federation to prevent deletions from syncing.

    I love lemmy, but privacy is not one of its features.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That was what I was going to say.

    That said, if someone detects some sort of data-mining plagiarism bot sucking down everything on an instance, it can be defederated very quickly.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    See, the app won't track your clicks, views, interests. Only public thing is the thinh you post. Which is great for public communities. Theese are meant to be public. But things facebook or reddit or google does is enough to call lemmy private

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