▲ 664 ▼ Community college is now free for Mass. residents 25 and older. Millions qualify (www.wbur.org) submitted 2 years ago by USAONE@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 34 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 64 points 2 years ago* (6 children) Why 25 and older? Why not give it for free to everyone who wants it? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago It's unfortunate but at least it's a step forward. Who knows maybe in a couple years the people can vote to just have it free for all ages. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Be like me where my parents made too much but wouldn't support me so I had to wait until 25 to get my AA because of the bulkshit fafsa income rules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because it's actually easier to get financial aid if you're under 25. Almost everything gets cut off at 25. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] evatronic@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Including Pell Grants which is absolutely free federal funding for schools, which tends to pay almost entirely for a community college degree, with plenty left over. This year, for instance the maximum is a little over $6,800. The average cost of a community college tuition, fees, etc. is aorund $3,000 - $4,500 this year, depending on how you slice the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Kinda. I still got Pell grants into my 30s. Only reason they stopped for me is because I capped out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That’s a great point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago There is a bill in the works called the CHERISH Act in Massachusetts that would allow all residents to graduate community college debt-free (note not actually free just support people enough they don’t go into debt). Mass Reconnect (the program in the article) was created from 20 million dollars taken from the new Mass millionaires’ tax. CHERISH is estimated to cost about 500 million (a great investment but definitely a scale of magnitude larger) I think what’s crazy about CHERISH is that it would raise state investment in each student just to the level seen in 2001. Crazy how much even states like Mass have cut education funding in the last 20 years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago probably the only way banking lobbyists would allow it to pass, they still need the most vulnerable chunk of the age groups going to college, and the lion's share of them. permalink fedilink source parent [+] iHUNTcriminals@lemm.ee -5 points 2 years ago* [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Puzzle_Sluts_4Ever@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago It's unfortunate but at least it's a step forward. Who knows maybe in a couple years the people can vote to just have it free for all ages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 years ago It's unfortunate but at least it's a step forward. Who knows maybe in a couple years the people can vote to just have it free for all ages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pistcow@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) Be like me where my parents made too much but wouldn't support me so I had to wait until 25 to get my AA because of the bulkshit fafsa income rules. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -48 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -28 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EssentialCoffee@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) A 2 year degree if you go full time. If you're working and only going to school part time, you still pay the administrative fees every semester, and the more credits you have, the higher you get charged per credit hour. A quick Internet search tells me that anywhere from $5K-$10K is average for community college. Also, they never said they went to community college, only that they had an associates. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent [+] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Hazdaz@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You guys are both getting a little hot and bothered without fully understanding just how fucked up this whole system is. First, to the point that 40K for a 2 year degree is insane, yeah it is. But you're forgetting that there are student loan agencies out there who PREY on kids like this. Their business model is inherently exploitaitive and, yeah, they're going to saddle a student with as much debt as they can extract from them while making them all kinds of promises in order to extract more debt. Second, I totally buy 40K in debt given predatory loans like the above, but you should acknowledge that your situation is abnormal. My wife is carrying 40K in student loan debt, after 20 years, never really being able to use either of her degrees (plural) but that $40K is for BOTH a 4 year bachelors (print journalism... right before the industry tanked) and a 2 year AA (paralegal). Third, carrying debt for community college shouldn't take away from the fact that community college should be free. I'm sorry you got screwed, really I am, but you getting screwed shouldn't mean everyone else needs the opportunity to get screwed too. I'd argue State colleges should be free as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago See? You get it. I was a fucking moron. I completely acknowledge this. I’m literally paying for my stupidity now. Community college should be 100% free for everyone. No exceptions. But I will continue to pay off my idiot consequences until I no longer have to. permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children) Because it's actually easier to get financial aid if you're under 25. Almost everything gets cut off at 25. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] evatronic@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Including Pell Grants which is absolutely free federal funding for schools, which tends to pay almost entirely for a community college degree, with plenty left over. This year, for instance the maximum is a little over $6,800. The average cost of a community college tuition, fees, etc. is aorund $3,000 - $4,500 this year, depending on how you slice the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Kinda. I still got Pell grants into my 30s. Only reason they stopped for me is because I capped out. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That’s a great point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Including Pell Grants which is absolutely free federal funding for schools, which tends to pay almost entirely for a community college degree, with plenty left over. This year, for instance the maximum is a little over $6,800. The average cost of a community college tuition, fees, etc. is aorund $3,000 - $4,500 this year, depending on how you slice the data. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Kinda. I still got Pell grants into my 30s. Only reason they stopped for me is because I capped out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Kinda. I still got Pell grants into my 30s. Only reason they stopped for me is because I capped out. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago That’s a great point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago There is a bill in the works called the CHERISH Act in Massachusetts that would allow all residents to graduate community college debt-free (note not actually free just support people enough they don’t go into debt). Mass Reconnect (the program in the article) was created from 20 million dollars taken from the new Mass millionaires’ tax. CHERISH is estimated to cost about 500 million (a great investment but definitely a scale of magnitude larger) I think what’s crazy about CHERISH is that it would raise state investment in each student just to the level seen in 2001. Crazy how much even states like Mass have cut education funding in the last 20 years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 years ago probably the only way banking lobbyists would allow it to pass, they still need the most vulnerable chunk of the age groups going to college, and the lion's share of them. permalink fedilink source parent