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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) What's a tankie? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] trafficnab@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) My personal definition would be "authoritarian communist (or """communist""") regime supporters/apologists". I think a good litmus test is, if the topic of the Tiananmen Square massacre comes up, and their first input is "Ok, but, how many zeroes did the number of dead civilians really have", they're probably too far gone to bother engaging much with Too many anarchist/commune types consider the authoritarians to be their allies because they also hate the capitalists, right up until the point they're next on the list of undesirables destined for the wall permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 👏 Then 👏 read 👏 the 👏 Wiki 👏 page 👏 Because that will tell you the answer is 1. One zero. Because the number of dead civilians in the Tiananmen Square Massacre is zero. No civilian deaths there. Nada. Read the wiki page, it will tell you no deaths. This information brought to you by such Commies as: the US Government, the Washington Post correspondent (who was there all night), the CBS correspondent (same), and more! Were there a limited number of deaths in protests elsewhere that wasn't Tiananmen? Yep, about 2-3 hundred across a few hundred cities. And that's bad! But is also pretty dang small relative to the protest size, and happens in all major protests in all countries everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is and has always been a red herring. It's irrelevant if people were killed in the square or in the streets around the square. People were killed in Beijing by the Chinese military in order to suppress the protests. End of story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Finger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, A massive, purposeful, misinformation campaign by the western governments and news sites that had claimed that there were no deaths in the square in the past and then changed their narrative all of a sudden, would, to me, suggest that these entities might also be misreprenting or lying about the other events. The story obviously does not end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] trafficnab@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) My personal definition would be "authoritarian communist (or """communist""") regime supporters/apologists". I think a good litmus test is, if the topic of the Tiananmen Square massacre comes up, and their first input is "Ok, but, how many zeroes did the number of dead civilians really have", they're probably too far gone to bother engaging much with Too many anarchist/commune types consider the authoritarians to be their allies because they also hate the capitalists, right up until the point they're next on the list of undesirables destined for the wall permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 👏 Then 👏 read 👏 the 👏 Wiki 👏 page 👏 Because that will tell you the answer is 1. One zero. Because the number of dead civilians in the Tiananmen Square Massacre is zero. No civilian deaths there. Nada. Read the wiki page, it will tell you no deaths. This information brought to you by such Commies as: the US Government, the Washington Post correspondent (who was there all night), the CBS correspondent (same), and more! Were there a limited number of deaths in protests elsewhere that wasn't Tiananmen? Yep, about 2-3 hundred across a few hundred cities. And that's bad! But is also pretty dang small relative to the protest size, and happens in all major protests in all countries everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is and has always been a red herring. It's irrelevant if people were killed in the square or in the streets around the square. People were killed in Beijing by the Chinese military in order to suppress the protests. End of story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Finger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, A massive, purposeful, misinformation campaign by the western governments and news sites that had claimed that there were no deaths in the square in the past and then changed their narrative all of a sudden, would, to me, suggest that these entities might also be misreprenting or lying about the other events. The story obviously does not end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SootySootySoot@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) 👏 Then 👏 read 👏 the 👏 Wiki 👏 page 👏 Because that will tell you the answer is 1. One zero. Because the number of dead civilians in the Tiananmen Square Massacre is zero. No civilian deaths there. Nada. Read the wiki page, it will tell you no deaths. This information brought to you by such Commies as: the US Government, the Washington Post correspondent (who was there all night), the CBS correspondent (same), and more! Were there a limited number of deaths in protests elsewhere that wasn't Tiananmen? Yep, about 2-3 hundred across a few hundred cities. And that's bad! But is also pretty dang small relative to the protest size, and happens in all major protests in all countries everywhere. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is and has always been a red herring. It's irrelevant if people were killed in the square or in the streets around the square. People were killed in Beijing by the Chinese military in order to suppress the protests. End of story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Finger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, A massive, purposeful, misinformation campaign by the western governments and news sites that had claimed that there were no deaths in the square in the past and then changed their narrative all of a sudden, would, to me, suggest that these entities might also be misreprenting or lying about the other events. The story obviously does not end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is and has always been a red herring. It's irrelevant if people were killed in the square or in the streets around the square. People were killed in Beijing by the Chinese military in order to suppress the protests. End of story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Finger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, A massive, purposeful, misinformation campaign by the western governments and news sites that had claimed that there were no deaths in the square in the past and then changed their narrative all of a sudden, would, to me, suggest that these entities might also be misreprenting or lying about the other events. The story obviously does not end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Finger@hexbear.net 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well, A massive, purposeful, misinformation campaign by the western governments and news sites that had claimed that there were no deaths in the square in the past and then changed their narrative all of a sudden, would, to me, suggest that these entities might also be misreprenting or lying about the other events. The story obviously does not end there. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, Western media can definitely not be trusted. Better to get the real story from the secretive, authoritarian government that heavily suppresses speech and directly controls its major media outlets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Dang I hate secretive governments, can you direct me to a western government that exposes all of its internal communications and doesn't have a huge amount of "former" state agents in major media publications? edit: folks, I have had my weekend water on a Monday permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) You're right, there isn't a single Western country that has a freer press than China. In fact, China may be the world's last bastion of open information and free speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Except China doesn't squeal about how free their press is all the time- that's America and the west at large, all of whose media is owned by wealthy people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) There were some Western news outlets that lied about the events and propagated false information, and there were some that that did not. The fact that Western media outlets cannot be blindly trusted does not mean that the Chinese state controlled media can. The Chinese state has a lot more incentive to lie about the events than independent news orgs do. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You should read Manufacturing Consent. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (2 children) I have and I think that there is validity to the propoganda model. But the propoganda model does not say that all reporting by Western media is false, only that Western media has a hidden bias. But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. So why would I be more skeptical of western reporting on the incident? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago But while Western media has an underlying bias to shape a narrative that fits the interests of the wealthy, Chinese state media has an overt and explicit bias to push the narrative in a direction that fits the interests of the state. Wild, when I read or watch literally any popular western media I find the bias overwhelmingly explicit and overt. It's almost like you're too deep in the propaganda to claim any perspective outside of it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago you really think their bias is in your favor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Well if western media were trustworthy it would probably be very easy for you to back up your claims with actual sources that haven't been debunked. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sources from around the world say China behaved badly; Chinese state media says China did not behave badly. Sources debunked! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Egon@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Post the non-debunked sources then, it shouldn't be difficult. Edit: Yet again I ask a lib for sources and they disappear. It's incredible. I responded within a minute, and they have nothing lmao. It's always like this permalink fedilink source parent
