▲ 748 ▼ Tesla's value plunged nearly $200 billion since mid-July – and the EV maker faces a bumpy road ahead (finance.yahoo.com) submitted 2 years ago by L4s@lemmy.world [M, B] to c/technology@lemmy.world 244 comments fedilink hide all child comments Tesla's value plunged nearly $200 billion since mid-July – and the EV maker faces a bumpy road ahead::Tesla shares closed Tuesday at just over $233, well down on their 2023 peak of $291.
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Left pollutes the air, right doesn't, hence right is undeniably better and completely unrelated to the fact that public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word. EV buses are also better than diesel ones, you know... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are better in the long run when combustion engines have reached their end of life and needs to be changed for something. But replacing a combustion engine solely to get an EV is a waste of energy and material. EVs are heavier and require energy to move, usually a single occupant. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water, and because EVs are heavier, they do that faster. Parking lots generate heat islands, etc.. Buying a new car is inherently bad for the environment. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! WE CAN'T BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH NEW GADGETS AND TECHNOLOGY. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago require energy to move Yes, literally everything does. That's physics. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less "sporty". Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! I already wrote "public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word", so don't preach to me about what I agree with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iaintsayin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck that I want a fast Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Ask me how I know we're not going to reach any climate change goals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I realize I'm saying this in a technology community but I've (we've) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it's only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can't just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) So? Left pollutes the air, right doesn't, hence right is undeniably better and completely unrelated to the fact that public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word. EV buses are also better than diesel ones, you know... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are better in the long run when combustion engines have reached their end of life and needs to be changed for something. But replacing a combustion engine solely to get an EV is a waste of energy and material. EVs are heavier and require energy to move, usually a single occupant. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water, and because EVs are heavier, they do that faster. Parking lots generate heat islands, etc.. Buying a new car is inherently bad for the environment. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! WE CAN'T BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH NEW GADGETS AND TECHNOLOGY. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago require energy to move Yes, literally everything does. That's physics. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less "sporty". Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! I already wrote "public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word", so don't preach to me about what I agree with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iaintsayin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck that I want a fast Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Ask me how I know we're not going to reach any climate change goals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I realize I'm saying this in a technology community but I've (we've) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it's only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can't just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 years ago (3 children) They are better in the long run when combustion engines have reached their end of life and needs to be changed for something. But replacing a combustion engine solely to get an EV is a waste of energy and material. EVs are heavier and require energy to move, usually a single occupant. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water, and because EVs are heavier, they do that faster. Parking lots generate heat islands, etc.. Buying a new car is inherently bad for the environment. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! WE CAN'T BUY OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WITH NEW GADGETS AND TECHNOLOGY. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago require energy to move Yes, literally everything does. That's physics. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less "sporty". Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! I already wrote "public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word", so don't preach to me about what I agree with. permalink fedilink source parent [–] iaintsayin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck that I want a fast Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Ask me how I know we're not going to reach any climate change goals. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I realize I'm saying this in a technology community but I've (we've) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it's only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can't just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago require energy to move Yes, literally everything does. That's physics. Tire wear is also responsible for pollutants in the air and in the water Tires made from natural rubber exist. Less wearing tires are also a thing but those are less "sporty". Tire wear can be reduced by driving more smoothly which is something governments can mandate to tweak driving aids accordingly (basically no hard acceleration). Overall EVs are better for the environment than ICE cars. We need more traditional means of transit and much much more active transit plans, not more cars! I already wrote "public transport could be much improved almost everywhere in the word", so don't preach to me about what I agree with. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] iaintsayin@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fuck that I want a fast Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Ask me how I know we're not going to reach any climate change goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago Ask me how I know we're not going to reach any climate change goals. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pedz@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I realize I'm saying this in a technology community but I've (we've) been promised self driving cars for years and so far it's only the same promise repeated year after year. Same for recycling. We can't just recycle everything or wait for a miracle plastic eating bacteria created by technology, we have to consume less. permalink fedilink source parent
