▲ 786 ▼ Anon freezes time (sh.itjust.works) submitted 2 years ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works [M] to c/greentext@sh.itjust.works 93 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 161 points 2 years ago (8 children) thats fine with me, since im not sick in the head, and i respect people's consent permalink fedilink source hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 148 points 2 years ago This is a 4Chan user permalink fedilink source parent [–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 90 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] workerONE@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's funny because this sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Recursion: see recursion permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago And that's why I haven't said anything. Now no one will realize that I'm the sickest fuck of them all. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't even think about this. I thought of how crushingly boring and annoying it must have been to have been unable to move at all. For 6 months. And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) Imagine if your one of the thousands of people who would likely happen to have the sun in their eyes at the instant of freezing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) Good thing is that since time has stopped, you won't get your eyes burnt since light stopped travelling as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness? Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does this mean everything would be dark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it. Does that mean that when photons stop moving, nobody can see them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] imecth@fedia.io 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first. That's basically sleep paralysis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So either six months of sleep paralysis or you experience six months of time in the instant that time returns, possibly mentally handicapping people from the sensation. Yeah, OP better go into hiding, anyone who survives will hunt them down - regardless of what they do. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) not me. i would have done some nasty shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) genuinely asking: what sort of things do you mean, and why ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) i would pee in people's drawers because i don't think that happens enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) good luck getting anymore in mine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) I would have at least visited museums and the likes in cities I can't afford to visit, as well as making food with all the tasty high quality ingredients I can't afford. Maybe drive around on some expensive motorbike just to see how it feels. If my financial situation at the time was especially dire, maybe take a "loan" from a bank somewhere before unfreezing time. You'd have to be a saint to have that power and not do anything illegal. But one thing I would never do is fuck over regular people, only corporations and big businesses. After time unfreezes, those can recover from whatever I did and I doubt I'd but a significant dent in their profit margins, but regular people would have to live with the consequences of what I did, so that's a no go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago i see that we have different ideas about what 'nasty' means :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shani66@ani.social 6 points 2 years ago A saint to not break laws? Laws are not morality, often they run directly counter to morality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] NormalPerson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Depends, what would happen if I stopped time in a moving car? Like if I were to stop time when that one car was swerving in and out of traffic, almost hit someone, then flicked them off? If I stopped time then would I still be carried by the momentum and splat against the inside of my car leaving everyone frozen forever or undo time stop and some freak accident is talked about on the news? Or do I get to stop time while they're flipping the bird, pull their car off to the side of the road, take off their tires, fill their gas tank with sugar, then swipe their offending finger in their butt crack and leave it pressed against their upper lip? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) [+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) What if you spent your frozen time, determining the problems of everyone in the world, and solving them? So, when everybody got unfrozen, it was a utopia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that's cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn't move until they were done, not so cool. permalink fedilink source parent [–] weker01@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago One person's utopia is another's dystopia. There will always be people genuinely upset about what you did or what "utopia" you want to archive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Dude you can get in trouble for doing a lot of things that aren't a criminal sex act. There's so much more out there! Doing H until you nod out in public, stealing products, playing guitar after 10pm, orchestrating dog fights, gambling on when elderly people will die, driving a type I school bus with a physical on file that's two years and ten days old, the possibility are endless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kedly@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Like half of these dont work if time is stopped tho. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would still steel shit from larger chain shops to eat an stuff so that wouldnt work out. Also i would test my powers first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) steel shit? sounds painful... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes i have a disorder where i shit steel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I respect people's consent in the scenario where it's something they experience or are affected by it. I'd imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes this is fantasy but what you're effectively stating here is that if you don't get caught it's not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that's not wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (9 children) No, not really. I'm saying that if there's zero effect for the would-be victim, I can't see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They'd be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I'd consider harmless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it. That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) that's another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 148 points 2 years ago This is a 4Chan user permalink fedilink source parent
[–] buttfarts@lemy.lol 90 points 2 years ago (2 children) Sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] workerONE@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's funny because this sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Recursion: see recursion permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago And that's why I haven't said anything. Now no one will realize that I'm the sickest fuck of them all. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's funny because this sounds like the type of thing the sickest fuck in the room would say to avoid suspicion permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Recursion: see recursion permalink fedilink source parent [–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago And that's why I haven't said anything. Now no one will realize that I'm the sickest fuck of them all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago Recursion: see recursion permalink fedilink source parent
[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago And that's why I haven't said anything. Now no one will realize that I'm the sickest fuck of them all. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't even think about this. I thought of how crushingly boring and annoying it must have been to have been unable to move at all. For 6 months. And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) Imagine if your one of the thousands of people who would likely happen to have the sun in their eyes at the instant of freezing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) Good thing is that since time has stopped, you won't get your eyes burnt since light stopped travelling as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness? Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does this mean everything would be dark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it. Does that mean that when photons stop moving, nobody can see them? permalink fedilink source parent [–] imecth@fedia.io 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first. That's basically sleep paralysis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So either six months of sleep paralysis or you experience six months of time in the instant that time returns, possibly mentally handicapping people from the sensation. Yeah, OP better go into hiding, anyone who survives will hunt them down - regardless of what they do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) Imagine if your one of the thousands of people who would likely happen to have the sun in their eyes at the instant of freezing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) Good thing is that since time has stopped, you won't get your eyes burnt since light stopped travelling as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness? Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does this mean everything would be dark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it. Does that mean that when photons stop moving, nobody can see them? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) Depending on the exact moment you might assume you died and the ecstasy you were feeling was an afterlife. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 years ago (3 children) Good thing is that since time has stopped, you won't get your eyes burnt since light stopped travelling as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness? Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does this mean everything would be dark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) [–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it. Does that mean that when photons stop moving, nobody can see them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) As an aside, if light stopped too, wouldn’t that mean that the world would be plunged into darkness? Photons of light reflect off of objects, and into our eyes before being converted into electrical signals by the brain and translated into visuals that we see. But to do this, photons and electrical signals need to be able to move through time and space. So if time is stopped, and light is stopped with it, none of that other stuff happens, and we all would effectively be blind. No? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Yes, see my other answer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Does this mean everything would be dark? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) The scenario doesn't really make sense as the electro-chemical activity in your brain would be stopped as well, so you couldn't be conscious. But if we suspend disbelief, you could say that you're stuck with the image that got to your retina when time stopped. Which means that you couldn't see the protagonist moving! Also, realistically, he couldn't even move as he'd be against a barrier of unmovable air. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] match@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) I think a more reasonable interpretation is for time o have been slowed to an extreme extent: a factor of 10^6 would mean the 6 months of protagonist time would've been experienced as 15 seconds of bystander time, and light would be slowed down to about 1000 km/h, still substantially faster than a human can move unaided to avoid Cherenkov radiation. To avoid friction fires, we have an Alcubierre (warp) bubble of fast space out around the protag. Let's say about 6 inches for reasons, and with a smooth gradient between protag time and slowed time. This is also necessary to prevent shear forces from tearing up everything the protag touches. This should handle most situations well: the protagonist can manipulate and interact with typical objects with their hands and other body parts without instantly exploding them or shearing them in half. However, humans that the protag directly interacts with will end up experiencing much more clock-time during the interaction, potentially even within the human reaction time of 250ms given a dedicated amount of attention. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is around to hear it. Does that mean that when photons stop moving, nobody can see them? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] imecth@fedia.io 10 points 2 years ago* (1 child) And now I realize it must have been dreadful, at first. That's basically sleep paralysis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So either six months of sleep paralysis or you experience six months of time in the instant that time returns, possibly mentally handicapping people from the sensation. Yeah, OP better go into hiding, anyone who survives will hunt them down - regardless of what they do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corus_kt@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago So either six months of sleep paralysis or you experience six months of time in the instant that time returns, possibly mentally handicapping people from the sensation. Yeah, OP better go into hiding, anyone who survives will hunt them down - regardless of what they do. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 33 points 2 years ago (1 child) not me. i would have done some nasty shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) genuinely asking: what sort of things do you mean, and why ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) i would pee in people's drawers because i don't think that happens enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) good luck getting anymore in mine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) I would have at least visited museums and the likes in cities I can't afford to visit, as well as making food with all the tasty high quality ingredients I can't afford. Maybe drive around on some expensive motorbike just to see how it feels. If my financial situation at the time was especially dire, maybe take a "loan" from a bank somewhere before unfreezing time. You'd have to be a saint to have that power and not do anything illegal. But one thing I would never do is fuck over regular people, only corporations and big businesses. After time unfreezes, those can recover from whatever I did and I doubt I'd but a significant dent in their profit margins, but regular people would have to live with the consequences of what I did, so that's a no go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago i see that we have different ideas about what 'nasty' means :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shani66@ani.social 6 points 2 years ago A saint to not break laws? Laws are not morality, often they run directly counter to morality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] NormalPerson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Depends, what would happen if I stopped time in a moving car? Like if I were to stop time when that one car was swerving in and out of traffic, almost hit someone, then flicked them off? If I stopped time then would I still be carried by the momentum and splat against the inside of my car leaving everyone frozen forever or undo time stop and some freak accident is talked about on the news? Or do I get to stop time while they're flipping the bird, pull their car off to the side of the road, take off their tires, fill their gas tank with sugar, then swipe their offending finger in their butt crack and leave it pressed against their upper lip? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) genuinely asking: what sort of things do you mean, and why ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) i would pee in people's drawers because i don't think that happens enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) good luck getting anymore in mine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) I would have at least visited museums and the likes in cities I can't afford to visit, as well as making food with all the tasty high quality ingredients I can't afford. Maybe drive around on some expensive motorbike just to see how it feels. If my financial situation at the time was especially dire, maybe take a "loan" from a bank somewhere before unfreezing time. You'd have to be a saint to have that power and not do anything illegal. But one thing I would never do is fuck over regular people, only corporations and big businesses. After time unfreezes, those can recover from whatever I did and I doubt I'd but a significant dent in their profit margins, but regular people would have to live with the consequences of what I did, so that's a no go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago i see that we have different ideas about what 'nasty' means :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shani66@ani.social 6 points 2 years ago A saint to not break laws? Laws are not morality, often they run directly counter to morality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] NormalPerson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Depends, what would happen if I stopped time in a moving car? Like if I were to stop time when that one car was swerving in and out of traffic, almost hit someone, then flicked them off? If I stopped time then would I still be carried by the momentum and splat against the inside of my car leaving everyone frozen forever or undo time stop and some freak accident is talked about on the news? Or do I get to stop time while they're flipping the bird, pull their car off to the side of the road, take off their tires, fill their gas tank with sugar, then swipe their offending finger in their butt crack and leave it pressed against their upper lip? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 23 points 2 years ago (2 children) i would pee in people's drawers because i don't think that happens enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) good luck getting anymore in mine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] kusivittula@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago a little bit of both. but primarily in their nightstand drawers. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) good luck getting anymore in mine! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BambiDiego@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago "Honey! There's pee in my pee drawer, and it isn't MINE!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) I would have at least visited museums and the likes in cities I can't afford to visit, as well as making food with all the tasty high quality ingredients I can't afford. Maybe drive around on some expensive motorbike just to see how it feels. If my financial situation at the time was especially dire, maybe take a "loan" from a bank somewhere before unfreezing time. You'd have to be a saint to have that power and not do anything illegal. But one thing I would never do is fuck over regular people, only corporations and big businesses. After time unfreezes, those can recover from whatever I did and I doubt I'd but a significant dent in their profit margins, but regular people would have to live with the consequences of what I did, so that's a no go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago i see that we have different ideas about what 'nasty' means :) permalink fedilink source parent [–] shani66@ani.social 6 points 2 years ago A saint to not break laws? Laws are not morality, often they run directly counter to morality. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 years ago i see that we have different ideas about what 'nasty' means :) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] shani66@ani.social 6 points 2 years ago A saint to not break laws? Laws are not morality, often they run directly counter to morality. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NormalPerson@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) Depends, what would happen if I stopped time in a moving car? Like if I were to stop time when that one car was swerving in and out of traffic, almost hit someone, then flicked them off? If I stopped time then would I still be carried by the momentum and splat against the inside of my car leaving everyone frozen forever or undo time stop and some freak accident is talked about on the news? Or do I get to stop time while they're flipping the bird, pull their car off to the side of the road, take off their tires, fill their gas tank with sugar, then swipe their offending finger in their butt crack and leave it pressed against their upper lip? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) What if you spent your frozen time, determining the problems of everyone in the world, and solving them? So, when everybody got unfrozen, it was a utopia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that's cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn't move until they were done, not so cool. permalink fedilink source parent [–] weker01@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago One person's utopia is another's dystopia. There will always be people genuinely upset about what you did or what "utopia" you want to archive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tired8281@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 years ago (2 children) What if you spent your frozen time, determining the problems of everyone in the world, and solving them? So, when everybody got unfrozen, it was a utopia. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that's cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn't move until they were done, not so cool. permalink fedilink source parent [–] weker01@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago One person's utopia is another's dystopia. There will always be people genuinely upset about what you did or what "utopia" you want to archive. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] loaExMachina@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that's cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn't move until they were done, not so cool. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago Exactly. If someone mowed my lawn for me, that's cool. If they tied me to a chair so tight I couldn't move until they were done, not so cool. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] weker01@feddit.de 4 points 2 years ago One person's utopia is another's dystopia. There will always be people genuinely upset about what you did or what "utopia" you want to archive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Dude you can get in trouble for doing a lot of things that aren't a criminal sex act. There's so much more out there! Doing H until you nod out in public, stealing products, playing guitar after 10pm, orchestrating dog fights, gambling on when elderly people will die, driving a type I school bus with a physical on file that's two years and ten days old, the possibility are endless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kedly@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Like half of these dont work if time is stopped tho. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kedly@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Like half of these dont work if time is stopped tho. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) I would still steel shit from larger chain shops to eat an stuff so that wouldnt work out. Also i would test my powers first. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) steel shit? sounds painful... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes i have a disorder where i shit steel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] lseif@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) steel shit? sounds painful... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes i have a disorder where i shit steel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes i have a disorder where i shit steel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I respect people's consent in the scenario where it's something they experience or are affected by it. I'd imagine frozen time is consequence free zone for everyone. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes this is fantasy but what you're effectively stating here is that if you don't get caught it's not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that's not wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (9 children) No, not really. I'm saying that if there's zero effect for the would-be victim, I can't see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They'd be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I'd consider harmless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it. That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) that's another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (7 replies) load more comments (2 replies)
[–] jorp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes this is fantasy but what you're effectively stating here is that if you don't get caught it's not wrong. The same argument would justify groping a deep sleeper, do you think that's not wrong? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (9 children) No, not really. I'm saying that if there's zero effect for the would-be victim, I can't see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They'd be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I'd consider harmless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it. That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) that's another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (7 replies)
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (9 children) No, not really. I'm saying that if there's zero effect for the would-be victim, I can't see them being wronged. I think time freeze is probably not the right scenario for this though. They'd be physically affected. Copying them in an simulation type thing is more along the lines of what I'd consider harmless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it. That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) that's another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies) load more comments (7 replies)
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (5 children) Unfortunately for me, I feel like if I thought I could get away with something consequences free, I’d probably do it. I’m not proud of that aspect of my morality, but I’d be lying if I denied it. That said, I remind myself that if I’m too ashamed to do it under the scrutiny of people, then it is 100% not something I’m doing. That goes for simulations as well. Because there is always a chance someone will find out… and frankly, I don’t think I could live with myself. Right or wrong, that’s my take on it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies)
[–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) That's a very honest and self reflective stance that I think a lot of people would agree with. I don't think it's a moral failing, much of morality is putting aside your basic instinct and desire in favor of your rational mind realizing what's best for you and society at large. People have empathy to varying degrees and it's something that needs training just like any other skill. Acknowledging where you have gaps and working rationally around those gaps is how you become a moral person. I don't think you were necessarily being hard on yourself but others feeling the same way might be so I figured I'd share this perspective. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well thank you for that assurance. It’s a scary thing to admit to, especially when you see people around you who seemingly do not struggle with this sort of thing. The whole, “I don’t need a book/law to tell me what’s right or wrong,” are lucky in that respect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jorp@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I don't think any individual is implicitly moral with regards to everything. I'm not suggesting everyone has the same hidden desires but I believe everyone has some instinctive behaviors and thoughts that they need to challenge rationally in some way or another. Philosophical frameworks for morality wouldn't exist or be debated if it was unusual to need a rational framework for moral behavior. Unless somehow every harm someone inflicted on another somehow affected themselves in the same way there'll always be a selfish instinct that has to be overcome. If it was easy it wouldn't be something to admire and respect as part of one's character. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jorp@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) that's another interesting but debatable position. AI generated deepfakes of teens fall into that category. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)
[–] Mango@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) So debate it. An it harm none, do what ye will. Every day bullshit harms me dramatically more than any dude privately jerking it to me. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments load more comments (5 replies)