▲ 158 ▼ In a historic about-face, Apple publicly supports right-to-repair bill (grist.org) submitted 3 years ago by 111@zerobytes.monster to c/technology@lemmy.ml 40 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 16 points 3 years ago (6 children) Any idea what prompted this about face? permalink fedilink source hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (2 children) They know the way the wind is blowing on this issue, and they trade in public image nearly as much as they do in physical goods. This is a good look for them, and when it was clear they wouldn’t win, they’re happy to join the winning side. It’s also not completely out of left field—they’ve been expanding access to previously-internal repair guides and even tools over the last few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Many years ago, I read that the first rule of diplomacy is to assent graciously to the inevitable. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a good rule! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 3 years ago It’s efficient at least. It saves a lot of effort spent on lost causes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago They've done pr things before too. The apple certified repair program is incredibly restrictive and expensive, the existing self repair even more so. So I'll look at what they're saying very carefully and critically. permalink fedilink source parent [–] kherge@beehaw.org 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Pessimistic: Apple lawyers have arguments prepared that DRM'ing individual components does not violate this law. Less Pessimistic: Apple got a sufficient head start in supporting third-party repairs that it would be beneficial for them to get this law passed so that other manufacturers scramble to catch up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not DRM, but Apple does signing of components. Apple doesn’t care because they already set their self repair program up exactly the way this legislation states. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Which is the type of repair bill I don't want. I would like to just source a donor phone and transplant parts to make it work again, aka reducing wastes. (and protecting my bank acc) However, with a big player like Apple support this defective bill, it got a high chance to pass and set the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I get why they do some of it in the security components, really wish they just gave the user the option to trust after a big warning banner. Yes, someone could have hacked this faceid camera, but since I’m the one putting it in and not some badguy please just associate it with this device now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not DRM Apple doesn’t care [...]. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. You are contradicting yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) No, I’m actually not. Digital Rights Management has a specific meaning. Apple pairs devices to each other cryptographically, but it has nothing to do with managing rights. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Good points. It may also be that someone else is already out in front of this, and Apple is trying to catch up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 years ago* They aren’t. This: https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair Is exactly what the legislation asks for. I’m sure that is no coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Zanz@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) The last time it failed it was supposed to come back with allowing modules instead of parts. Apple would be fine with selling "modules" as they consider their devices to be top case, bottom case, motherboard, battery, and screen (has stuff attached.) If they can have a needs calibration some where to shame 3rd party repairs and not allow board level repair it is just what they wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 4 points 3 years ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) They're probably trying to get ahead of legislation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Or at least not be seen as losing this fight. They’ve apparently decided that this is not the hill to die on. permalink fedilink source parent [+] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 2 points 3 years ago I suspect you're right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago This is the...3rd? 4th? time they've "about faced" on R2R. It's a sham. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 36 points 3 years ago (2 children) They know the way the wind is blowing on this issue, and they trade in public image nearly as much as they do in physical goods. This is a good look for them, and when it was clear they wouldn’t win, they’re happy to join the winning side. It’s also not completely out of left field—they’ve been expanding access to previously-internal repair guides and even tools over the last few years. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Many years ago, I read that the first rule of diplomacy is to assent graciously to the inevitable. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a good rule! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 3 years ago It’s efficient at least. It saves a lot of effort spent on lost causes. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago They've done pr things before too. The apple certified repair program is incredibly restrictive and expensive, the existing self repair even more so. So I'll look at what they're saying very carefully and critically. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 18 points 3 years ago (1 child) Many years ago, I read that the first rule of diplomacy is to assent graciously to the inevitable. :) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a good rule! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 3 years ago It’s efficient at least. It saves a lot of effort spent on lost causes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] brewdtype@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s a good rule! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 3 years ago It’s efficient at least. It saves a lot of effort spent on lost causes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 5 points 3 years ago It’s efficient at least. It saves a lot of effort spent on lost causes. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 years ago They've done pr things before too. The apple certified repair program is incredibly restrictive and expensive, the existing self repair even more so. So I'll look at what they're saying very carefully and critically. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kherge@beehaw.org 16 points 3 years ago (2 children) Pessimistic: Apple lawyers have arguments prepared that DRM'ing individual components does not violate this law. Less Pessimistic: Apple got a sufficient head start in supporting third-party repairs that it would be beneficial for them to get this law passed so that other manufacturers scramble to catch up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not DRM, but Apple does signing of components. Apple doesn’t care because they already set their self repair program up exactly the way this legislation states. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Which is the type of repair bill I don't want. I would like to just source a donor phone and transplant parts to make it work again, aka reducing wastes. (and protecting my bank acc) However, with a big player like Apple support this defective bill, it got a high chance to pass and set the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I get why they do some of it in the security components, really wish they just gave the user the option to trust after a big warning banner. Yes, someone could have hacked this faceid camera, but since I’m the one putting it in and not some badguy please just associate it with this device now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not DRM Apple doesn’t care [...]. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. You are contradicting yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) No, I’m actually not. Digital Rights Management has a specific meaning. Apple pairs devices to each other cryptographically, but it has nothing to do with managing rights. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Good points. It may also be that someone else is already out in front of this, and Apple is trying to catch up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 years ago* They aren’t. This: https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair Is exactly what the legislation asks for. I’m sure that is no coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 years ago (2 children) Not DRM, but Apple does signing of components. Apple doesn’t care because they already set their self repair program up exactly the way this legislation states. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Which is the type of repair bill I don't want. I would like to just source a donor phone and transplant parts to make it work again, aka reducing wastes. (and protecting my bank acc) However, with a big player like Apple support this defective bill, it got a high chance to pass and set the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I get why they do some of it in the security components, really wish they just gave the user the option to trust after a big warning banner. Yes, someone could have hacked this faceid camera, but since I’m the one putting it in and not some badguy please just associate it with this device now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not DRM Apple doesn’t care [...]. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. You are contradicting yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) No, I’m actually not. Digital Rights Management has a specific meaning. Apple pairs devices to each other cryptographically, but it has nothing to do with managing rights. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Which is the type of repair bill I don't want. I would like to just source a donor phone and transplant parts to make it work again, aka reducing wastes. (and protecting my bank acc) However, with a big player like Apple support this defective bill, it got a high chance to pass and set the standard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I get why they do some of it in the security components, really wish they just gave the user the option to trust after a big warning banner. Yes, someone could have hacked this faceid camera, but since I’m the one putting it in and not some badguy please just associate it with this device now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (2 children) I get why they do some of it in the security components, really wish they just gave the user the option to trust after a big warning banner. Yes, someone could have hacked this faceid camera, but since I’m the one putting it in and not some badguy please just associate it with this device now. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 years ago* I agree. Security components, fine. Just let me skip over that. However, what on earth they need to serialize the monitor and battery?!?! Calibration? How come I don't need calibration for my PC monitor nor my camera batteries? Does it work to its fullest? No. Does it work. Yes. That all I want. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PuppyOSAndCoffee@lemmy.ml 1 point 3 years ago Sir/Madam, your iphone has been selected for a completely random verification by the customs agent, please provide and we will return it in 1 - 2 hrs. Thaaaannk you for your cooperation. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Not DRM Apple doesn’t care [...]. If you buy certain components you have to contact them for assistance activating them. You are contradicting yourself permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) No, I’m actually not. Digital Rights Management has a specific meaning. Apple pairs devices to each other cryptographically, but it has nothing to do with managing rights. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) No, I’m actually not. Digital Rights Management has a specific meaning. Apple pairs devices to each other cryptographically, but it has nothing to do with managing rights. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Oh, yeah, you are right. Sorry, I'm just too much used to calling DRM as Digital Restrictions Management. You have to contact them to assist you in pairing the devices to avoid warnings, just like a repair center does, but you are not actually activating them with Apple. Do you mean that the devices actually boot with the replacement parts, but they also show a warning about them? If so, did this change recently (as in, last few years), or was it always that way since digitally signed parts became a thing? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 years ago I don’t know if every replacement part is still bootable, but for some things it will boot up and warn you and disable some features like faceid. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Good points. It may also be that someone else is already out in front of this, and Apple is trying to catch up. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 years ago* They aren’t. This: https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair Is exactly what the legislation asks for. I’m sure that is no coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 3 years ago* They aren’t. This: https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair Is exactly what the legislation asks for. I’m sure that is no coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zanz@lemmy.ml 11 points 3 years ago (1 child) The last time it failed it was supposed to come back with allowing modules instead of parts. Apple would be fine with selling "modules" as they consider their devices to be top case, bottom case, motherboard, battery, and screen (has stuff attached.) If they can have a needs calibration some where to shame 3rd party repairs and not allow board level repair it is just what they wanted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 4 points 3 years ago Fair point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 years ago (1 child) They're probably trying to get ahead of legislation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Or at least not be seen as losing this fight. They’ve apparently decided that this is not the hill to die on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) Or at least not be seen as losing this fight. They’ve apparently decided that this is not the hill to die on. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] dontcarebear@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 2 points 3 years ago I suspect you're right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 2 points 3 years ago I suspect you're right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 years ago This is the...3rd? 4th? time they've "about faced" on R2R. It's a sham. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent