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Windows Updated and is Pushing More Stuff (lemmy.world)
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I find this mildly infuriating, I only use Windows for work, I even personally purchased Windows 11. Local account and disabled as much as I could. I personally do not like Windows or Windows in general.

Well, now I do an update and they throw this up like I need to walk thru these steps (again). Not even a "Skip"/"Don't remind me again". Windows is not what it used to be and after disabling half the Microsoft stuff I'd expect not to be bothered again. It's really a built in ad more then anything.

2023-08 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 11 Version 22H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5029351)

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[–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

How did you learn this? Serious question, as I probably will be using Windows at whatever job I get. A huge part of what has made Linux so easy to learn is that there's always documentation. There's no secrets, even if it might be a lot of reading. Everything I learned about Windows I either bumbled my way into it or learned from someone else who was taught.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To be honest, you just have to Google things that you really want to fix. Genuinely just ask it how to make simple things simpler and you will find so much helpful stuff out there. If you feel some discomfort while using windows, know that there's always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    To be clear, I've been using Windows since I was literally in diapers [3]. Only this summer did I take the plunge and actually start using Linux as a daily driver. I generally know my way around a Windows system because of Googling things I don't know.

    My concern is because I have been using Windows as a "home" user, e.g. on non-enterprise systems, there's going to be a whole bunch of stuff that I don't know that I have no chance of finding unless I happen to know an experienced sysadmin.

    IMO, Googling [1] things is often how I solve computer problems, but it's a very strange way of working if you think about it. Shouldn't our software tell us how to use it? At the bare minimum, software designed for use by the general public, including those who aren't familiar with computers

    It's a bit of a strange response, "go to company A for information about company B's products". And yet, it is the response I unfortunately have to choose time and time again because Microsoft is too protective of their secrets, including apparently how to use their OS. Microsoft, who as a reminder is a business trying to convince me to keep buying their product, should be the primary source of information about their product.

    Microsoft does have some online support, but they don't have it at the level of detail that Linux does. What has really amazed me about Linux is that the various developers actually tell you how to use their software [2]. If there's something not in the manual, they probably don't know enough about it to have finished the documentation. In those scenarios, you can go make an issue on GitHub. As complicated as Linux has been to learn, it's been a lot less "Google [1] it" and a lot more "read the docs".

    If you feel some discomfort while using Windows, know that there's always a way to make something easier and simpler, you just have to find it

    Well...no, actually. For example, if I want to replace the user interface, you cannot do that. You can change it cosmetically, and there are a few registry entries you can fiddle with, but if you want to throw out the whole thing and use a completely different desktop environment, you're out of luck. I installed my copy of Debian with KDE Plasma, but I also installed LXDE as an option for the rare cases when I need all 16GB of my RAM. I also tried out XFCE and LXQT to give them their fair shake. The default for Debian is actually GNOME, which I knew from prior experience was not for me. Actually, I wouldn't use a system where the only option is GNOME, so the freedom to choose a desktop environment (or none at all; e.g. window managers or the command line for the brave) was a precondition to my adoption of Linux.

    Every single part of my system can be swapped out for something else. Even the kernel need not be "pure" Linux. For example, I do a lot of real-time audio computing, so I've been "shopping for" the best kernel for real-time audio. There are a few patched kernels specifically for real-time applications, although the default Linux kernel is quite good.

    This is far from the only area where Windows locks you into a choice. Actually, it's a lot worse than that; Windows (more accurately Microsoft) continues to lock me into choices because I have to limit my choices to those that work with Windows installations. They could add Linux compatibility to their systems (because the whole ecosystem is open source, they don't need to reverse-engineer anything; just copy the Linux stuff!), but they choose not to do so, and instead insist on proprietary formats.

    [1] I don't use Google search anymore. IMO the only use case for Google search is when you are somehow required to use it. In the example above, I would never allow company A to be Google, because based on Google's history it is clear that Google ought not exist. I often allow company A to be DuckDuckGo or an amalgamation of stripped results from SearXNG, but even then I think that the usage of company B's products should be the domain of company B.

    [2] It's not perfect, but systematically it seems like more than an attempt has been made to document the various FOSS software components. For example, some of the more obscure KDE software have holes in the docs, which I have actually been running up against in the past few days. The rest of the KDE software has excellent documentation, and if you're a Plasma user, it's probably already on your computer. Remember, this is coming from a largely volunteer development force; compare that with the power and professional workforce of Microsoft.

    [3] I have worked and played in every non-enterprise Windows OS from Windows 95 to Windows 10. I have used Windows 11 a handful of times but I'm not very familiar with it, besides the baseline familiarity that comes from working with NT systems in general.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    What's your point here? If you want to argue with me about semantics then I absolutely could not care less about it. Yes of course you can't change shit, because windows is designed this way. It's made this way for people who don't know how to do things be able to easily Google their problem and find a step by step solution that is almost certain to work since windows ui doesn't change a lot. Also, at this point googling is a popular verb which means "searching shit on the internet". Use whatever browser you want, I use brave search and searx from my distro. Congratulations on successfully shitting on windows, like everybody else in this thread.

    Of course Linux is better for most intents and purposes, but that's entirely not the fucking point here. The point here is how to use windows better? With all the shit Microsoft does? And the answer is you search it on the internet, it's just how it is and complaining about it and saying Linux does it better does not change anything.

    If you have a problem in windows, for example one of the things I was really annoyed about in win11 was that whenever I searched something on the task bar, an internet result would pop up that will open bing on edge. I didn't want that so I googled it (searched on the internet with brave search) and turns out that you can add a registry my that can disable all web searches from the taskbar! So Yay one annoyance fixed. There are hundreds of things like that which you can just search and figure out a way to disable a shit Microsoft thing or bypass it.

    What I had originally meant was that in general, you can control a lot behind the scenes in windows, even if you can't see it up front. You can shit on it all you want but being toxic to people and telling them to install Linux is obviously not the way to go. Gatekeeping is for idiots. Use what you want to use, do what you think is best for you, and I do what is best for me. From time to time I do use windows to play some games that don't work on Linux yet, or use some software that doesn't support Linux and I don't want to spend hours trying to figure out how to install there. It's efficient for me and that's how I keep it.

    Windows is terrible at a lot of things, and Linux is terrible at a lot of things too but those things are completely different and it is no use to compare as everyone's needs are different. There is no one size fits all, there never will be.

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