▲ 58 ▼ In what scenario is conscription acceptable? (if any) (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by LesserAbe@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 32 comments fedilink hide all child comments Prompted by another thread about conscription in Ukraine.
[+] treefrog@lemm.ee 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) So if for example every person's name goes in the hat, and then conscripts are drawn at random? I only clarify because in a situation where every able body is fighting you've already lost, there needs to be logistics, maintaining utilities, growing food, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I only clarify because in a situation where every able body is fighting you’ve already lost, there needs to be logistics, maintaining utilities, growing food, etc Conscription is actually a way to ensure that. In the Ukrainian War, as well as at least the US during WW2 (I'm less familiar with other countries' conscription systems during WW2), conscription is used to prioritize those with skills which are not economically vital during wartime - during WW2, even, some skilled workers weren't even allowed to volunteer, much less be conscripted, for military service. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Examples of those skills? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Those working in industries vital to war production and agriculture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Training_and_Service_Act_of_1940#Class_II:_Deferred_because_of_occupation Into 1943 voluntary enlistment for young men was disallowed to prevent those with valuable skillsets from going into the military. permalink fedilink source parent [–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Rich people are humans too and also have rights. Subjecting rich people to the same violations of their rights doesn’t make the thing okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LesserAbe@lemmy.world [S] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) So if for example every person's name goes in the hat, and then conscripts are drawn at random? I only clarify because in a situation where every able body is fighting you've already lost, there needs to be logistics, maintaining utilities, growing food, etc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I only clarify because in a situation where every able body is fighting you’ve already lost, there needs to be logistics, maintaining utilities, growing food, etc Conscription is actually a way to ensure that. In the Ukrainian War, as well as at least the US during WW2 (I'm less familiar with other countries' conscription systems during WW2), conscription is used to prioritize those with skills which are not economically vital during wartime - during WW2, even, some skilled workers weren't even allowed to volunteer, much less be conscripted, for military service. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Examples of those skills? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Those working in industries vital to war production and agriculture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Training_and_Service_Act_of_1940#Class_II:_Deferred_because_of_occupation Into 1943 voluntary enlistment for young men was disallowed to prevent those with valuable skillsets from going into the military. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] treefrog@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) I only clarify because in a situation where every able body is fighting you’ve already lost, there needs to be logistics, maintaining utilities, growing food, etc Conscription is actually a way to ensure that. In the Ukrainian War, as well as at least the US during WW2 (I'm less familiar with other countries' conscription systems during WW2), conscription is used to prioritize those with skills which are not economically vital during wartime - during WW2, even, some skilled workers weren't even allowed to volunteer, much less be conscripted, for military service. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Examples of those skills? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Those working in industries vital to war production and agriculture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Training_and_Service_Act_of_1940#Class_II:_Deferred_because_of_occupation Into 1943 voluntary enlistment for young men was disallowed to prevent those with valuable skillsets from going into the military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] moistclump@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Examples of those skills? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Those working in industries vital to war production and agriculture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Training_and_Service_Act_of_1940#Class_II:_Deferred_because_of_occupation Into 1943 voluntary enlistment for young men was disallowed to prevent those with valuable skillsets from going into the military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Those working in industries vital to war production and agriculture. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Training_and_Service_Act_of_1940#Class_II:_Deferred_because_of_occupation Into 1943 voluntary enlistment for young men was disallowed to prevent those with valuable skillsets from going into the military. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Rich people are humans too and also have rights. Subjecting rich people to the same violations of their rights doesn’t make the thing okay. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] treefrog@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent