▲ 208 ▼ I just realized all my teachers use ubuntu (sh.itjust.works) submitted 2 years ago by VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works to c/linux@lemmy.ml 87 comments fedilink hide all child comments I study math at uni and I was shocked realizing all my teachers use ubuntu on both their laptop and work desktop
[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Why is there something instead of nothing permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) When I look at my gut, I ask myself the same question 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well Liebniz said it's because of a necessary being bearing the reason for its existence within itself, if that helps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) No, because it's circular logic. There's no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does, and no evidence that one does in the real world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago My gut is circular, that's bullying 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) No, because it’s circular logic. It is, and that's inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the 'uncaused caused' or the 'first mover'. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you've got an infinite regress. So you're trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz's choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然 There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a 'reason', unlike everything else in conditioned existence. to exist before it does You're assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz's God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress. and no evidence that one does in the real world. Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing? permalink fedilink source parent [–] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you speaking about you ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) When I look at my gut, I ask myself the same question 😭 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well Liebniz said it's because of a necessary being bearing the reason for its existence within itself, if that helps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) No, because it's circular logic. There's no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does, and no evidence that one does in the real world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago My gut is circular, that's bullying 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) No, because it’s circular logic. It is, and that's inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the 'uncaused caused' or the 'first mover'. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you've got an infinite regress. So you're trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz's choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然 There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a 'reason', unlike everything else in conditioned existence. to exist before it does You're assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz's God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress. and no evidence that one does in the real world. Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well Liebniz said it's because of a necessary being bearing the reason for its existence within itself, if that helps. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) No, because it's circular logic. There's no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does, and no evidence that one does in the real world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago My gut is circular, that's bullying 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) No, because it’s circular logic. It is, and that's inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the 'uncaused caused' or the 'first mover'. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you've got an infinite regress. So you're trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz's choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然 There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a 'reason', unlike everything else in conditioned existence. to exist before it does You're assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz's God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress. and no evidence that one does in the real world. Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) No, because it's circular logic. There's no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does, and no evidence that one does in the real world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago My gut is circular, that's bullying 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent [–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) No, because it’s circular logic. It is, and that's inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the 'uncaused caused' or the 'first mover'. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you've got an infinite regress. So you're trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz's choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然 There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a 'reason', unlike everything else in conditioned existence. to exist before it does You're assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz's God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress. and no evidence that one does in the real world. Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] jjlinux@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago My gut is circular, that's bullying 🤣 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) No, because it’s circular logic. It is, and that's inherent in the problem under consideration, the problem of the 'uncaused caused' or the 'first mover'. Logic can either be A) circular or B) not-circular. Any not-circular logic must explain each element by referring to a prior, but then you've got an infinite regress. So you're trapped in a dilemma: do you want the circular logic or the infinite regress? Liebniz's choice was to say that God was inherently existent, like when Lao Tzu said 道法 自然 There’s no reason for a necessary being to exist before it does Correct. It is necessary: it is self-causing. It does not stand upon a 'reason', unlike everything else in conditioned existence. to exist before it does You're assuming it is subject to the laws of linear time and causation, and point out how that assumption leads to a contradiction. But Liebniz's God is not subject to the laws of linear time and causation. Which is the whole point of positing it: because if it were subject to those laws: infinite regress. and no evidence that one does in the real world. Well the world exists, so all this existence must have some cause. That was the starting point of the conversation: Why is there something instead of nothing? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works [S] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are you speaking about you ? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent