▲ 741 ▼ Rate of Young Women Getting Sterilized Doubled After ‘Roe’ Was Overturned (kffhealthnews.org) submitted 2 years ago by jeffw@lemmy.world [M] to c/news@lemmy.world 95 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 200 points 2 years ago (9 children) Any predictions on how long it'll take for conservatives to start outlawing sterilizations for women? permalink fedilink source hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 120 points 2 years ago (2 children) My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision. So we aren't that far off already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don't bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date. permalink fedilink source parent [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair, men also get asked if they're really sure by some doctors when going in for a vasectomy. Even when closing in on 50 and with three kids at home. But as long as they perform the procedure I don't care. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had mine at 42 and I don't think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I'll be out. Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there. But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Below 30 with no kids is much harder. permalink fedilink source parent [+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor. It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas. All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care. I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frickineh@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* That's why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn't willing to take a chance on that not happening. I'm no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being "geriatric"). permalink fedilink source parent [–] Shou@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago They are already trying to ban contraceptives. Cancer is what they are. permalink fedilink source parent [–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago TIHI. Fuck this is coming isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I'm not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It's fucked. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* I am going with a while. They just don't change their minds quickly and get distracted easily. It took them almost half a century to get abortion banned in a few states, only 2 of which have any real population size. Sure eventually they will grok on that abortion was the last resort option out of many tools but not overnight. Then even when they do they have to come up with good arguments to hide their goals. Which again will take time. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -69 points 2 years ago (6 children) Why would we? We're against murdering babies, not for controlling women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] hibsen@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) We all know you're full of shit, but just in case you're a useful idiot to conservatism instead of cynical grifter... If you want fewer abortions, the answer has been obvious for decades — sex ed and birth control made available to everyone that wants it, which results in fewer unwanted pregnancies, which results in fewer abortions. Your moron political group and its insistence on overturning Roe resulted in an increase in abortions. 2023 had the highest number and rate in literally decades. So if you're dumb enough to think that's "murdering babies," then congrats. The people you vote for increased the body count. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before. Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second. Now: if I need an abortion later I won't be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago Is that why Republican members of Congress recently stated that IVF should be banned? permalink fedilink source parent [–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago An embryo is not a baby. Nobody is getting murdered when a pregnancy is terminated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Whatever you tell yourself at night so you can sleep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im not, unless you think abortion is birth control permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 120 points 2 years ago (2 children) My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision. So we aren't that far off already. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don't bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date. permalink fedilink source parent [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair, men also get asked if they're really sure by some doctors when going in for a vasectomy. Even when closing in on 50 and with three kids at home. But as long as they perform the procedure I don't care. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had mine at 42 and I don't think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I'll be out. Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there. But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Below 30 with no kids is much harder. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago I can understand making absolutely sure that this is what the woman wants, but don't bring in an imaginary person into the decision. That is for her and the person she starts seeing down the line and whether she wants to tell him on the first date. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) To be fair, men also get asked if they're really sure by some doctors when going in for a vasectomy. Even when closing in on 50 and with three kids at home. But as long as they perform the procedure I don't care. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had mine at 42 and I don't think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I'll be out. Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there. But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor. permalink fedilink source parent [–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Below 30 with no kids is much harder. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Otakulad@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I had mine at 42 and I don't think there was much asking if this is what I really wanted. It was an explanation of the procedure and how long I'll be out. Day of, it was snip snip, have a good day. No need for the frozen peas on your nuts. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there. But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 years ago Oh, the procedure was fine. 40 minutes after I was called out of the waiting room I walked out and had zero issues. And also zero swimmers since. All good there. But when I had the first appointment, he asked me if I was really sure and if my wife knew and was also fine with it. But I know that it depends on the doctor. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago Below 30 with no kids is much harder. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 53 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor. It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas. All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care. I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago* That's why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn't willing to take a chance on that not happening. I'm no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being "geriatric"). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shou@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago They are already trying to ban contraceptives. Cancer is what they are. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago TIHI. Fuck this is coming isn't it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago It's already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I'm not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It's fucked. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* I am going with a while. They just don't change their minds quickly and get distracted easily. It took them almost half a century to get abortion banned in a few states, only 2 of which have any real population size. Sure eventually they will grok on that abortion was the last resort option out of many tools but not overnight. Then even when they do they have to come up with good arguments to hide their goals. Which again will take time. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -69 points 2 years ago (6 children) Why would we? We're against murdering babies, not for controlling women. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] hibsen@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) We all know you're full of shit, but just in case you're a useful idiot to conservatism instead of cynical grifter... If you want fewer abortions, the answer has been obvious for decades — sex ed and birth control made available to everyone that wants it, which results in fewer unwanted pregnancies, which results in fewer abortions. Your moron political group and its insistence on overturning Roe resulted in an increase in abortions. 2023 had the highest number and rate in literally decades. So if you're dumb enough to think that's "murdering babies," then congrats. The people you vote for increased the body count. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before. Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second. Now: if I need an abortion later I won't be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago Is that why Republican members of Congress recently stated that IVF should be banned? permalink fedilink source parent [–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago An embryo is not a baby. Nobody is getting murdered when a pregnancy is terminated. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Whatever you tell yourself at night so you can sleep. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im not, unless you think abortion is birth control permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hibsen@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (1 child) We all know you're full of shit, but just in case you're a useful idiot to conservatism instead of cynical grifter... If you want fewer abortions, the answer has been obvious for decades — sex ed and birth control made available to everyone that wants it, which results in fewer unwanted pregnancies, which results in fewer abortions. Your moron political group and its insistence on overturning Roe resulted in an increase in abortions. 2023 had the highest number and rate in literally decades. So if you're dumb enough to think that's "murdering babies," then congrats. The people you vote for increased the body count. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before. Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second. Now: if I need an abortion later I won't be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago If I were pregnant (and presumably had a uterus) I would probably be more likely to seek an abortion knowing that there is now a greater chance I would die giving birth then before. Before: ok every pregnancy is risky as well as birth there is a small but possible chance things could go badly for me but medical science will do what is required for me to survive including ending the pregnancy even at the last second. Now: if I need an abortion later I won't be able to get one and will die. I better go to a state where it is legal and get it done now. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago Is that why Republican members of Congress recently stated that IVF should be banned? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago An embryo is not a baby. Nobody is getting murdered when a pregnancy is terminated. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 years ago Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Whatever you tell yourself at night so you can sleep. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Then why are you also against birth control? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im not, unless you think abortion is birth control permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Kaboom@reddthat.com -13 points 2 years ago (1 child) Im not, unless you think abortion is birth control permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent