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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Espionage is 100% a crime. You may disagree with it being a crime but it's illegal in every country. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Revealing Chinese war crimes is also a crime in China. If China forcefully extradites an American journalists because the journalist leaks secret Chinese state documents of Uyghur concentration camps... would you be defending China because the journalist did something "illegal"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. And before you answer, I'm pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Which falls under the heading of journalists needing to be aware of the realities of where they're going. It's just not American journalists because we still have a bigger stick for now. So again, let me know when the NYT is running information operations to discredit China. Exposing Human Rights violations is not what Assange is guilty of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. No that's not true. Only the country demanding the extradition has to mark someone as a criminal. Often extradition treaties are made so if one country marks someone as a criminal and they flee somewhere else, that country will deliver them the criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition In this case America is heavily abusing the extradition treaty by marking a journalist as a criminal because he leaked evidence of war crimes. I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Accusing America of violating press freedom doesn't mean I'm somehow defending Chinese press freedom. There's a reason I'm equating America to China here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It's detailed in the comment above. And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Revealing Chinese war crimes is also a crime in China. If China forcefully extradites an American journalists because the journalist leaks secret Chinese state documents of Uyghur concentration camps... would you be defending China because the journalist did something "illegal"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. And before you answer, I'm pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Which falls under the heading of journalists needing to be aware of the realities of where they're going. It's just not American journalists because we still have a bigger stick for now. So again, let me know when the NYT is running information operations to discredit China. Exposing Human Rights violations is not what Assange is guilty of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. No that's not true. Only the country demanding the extradition has to mark someone as a criminal. Often extradition treaties are made so if one country marks someone as a criminal and they flee somewhere else, that country will deliver them the criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition In this case America is heavily abusing the extradition treaty by marking a journalist as a criminal because he leaked evidence of war crimes. I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Accusing America of violating press freedom doesn't mean I'm somehow defending Chinese press freedom. There's a reason I'm equating America to China here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It's detailed in the comment above. And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. And before you answer, I'm pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Which falls under the heading of journalists needing to be aware of the realities of where they're going. It's just not American journalists because we still have a bigger stick for now. So again, let me know when the NYT is running information operations to discredit China. Exposing Human Rights violations is not what Assange is guilty of. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. No that's not true. Only the country demanding the extradition has to mark someone as a criminal. Often extradition treaties are made so if one country marks someone as a criminal and they flee somewhere else, that country will deliver them the criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition In this case America is heavily abusing the extradition treaty by marking a journalist as a criminal because he leaked evidence of war crimes. I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Accusing America of violating press freedom doesn't mean I'm somehow defending Chinese press freedom. There's a reason I'm equating America to China here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It's detailed in the comment above. And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Well no, because one of the rules for extradition is both countries must consider it a crime. No that's not true. Only the country demanding the extradition has to mark someone as a criminal. Often extradition treaties are made so if one country marks someone as a criminal and they flee somewhere else, that country will deliver them the criminal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition In this case America is heavily abusing the extradition treaty by marking a journalist as a criminal because he leaked evidence of war crimes. I’m pretty sure China has done exactly this from countries friendly to them. Accusing America of violating press freedom doesn't mean I'm somehow defending Chinese press freedom. There's a reason I'm equating America to China here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It's detailed in the comment above. And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Assange is not a journalist. Again, let me know when the NYT does what he did. It's detailed in the comment above. And yes, a country can always exercise its sovereignty. There is no physical means of forcing an extradition short of using military power. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Strange that all journalists call Assange a journalist. So you're saying anyone leaking classified israeli documents of war crimes is a criminal? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That's not true. Some people who call themselves journalists call Assange a journalist. Here's the comment you have yet to substantively respond to. So when the NYT colludes with Russian hackers and a campaign to interfere with elections I'll call Assange a journalist. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) This is not Collateral Murder. Your case has nothing to do with Collateral Murder. Your case happened far after Collateral Murder and is not what Assange is proscecuted for. This is what the case is about permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, and the "Iraq War Logs". So again, get back to me when the NYT releases just whatever they can get with the express intent of harming the US war effort and reputation on the global stage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) NYT writes propaganda it doesn't expose it. Iraq war BTW permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Sure, except journalists openly talk about how they let themselves be manipulated by the Bush White House. And they report on thousands of different public interest stories, from street paving in NY to global politics. And none of it includes what Assange did, except their coverage of his actions as a story. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent