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Germany reforms citizenship law – DW – 08/23/2023 (www.dw.com)
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The German government has presented its new citizenship law this Wednesday (23.08.2023). The legislation proposed by Interior Minister Nancy Faeser will make dual citizenship easier as well as naturalization for non-EU citizens.<

The new citizenship plans boil down to these changes:

  • Immigrants legally living in Germany will be allowed to apply for citizenship after five years, rather than the current eight; and if they have special achievements this can go down to only three years

  • Children born in Germany of at least one parent who has been living legally in the country for five or more years will automatically get German citizenship;

  • Immigrants above the age of 67 will be able to do an oral instead of a written German language test

  • Multiple citizenships will be allowed

People living entirely on state support will not be eligible for German citizenship. German citizenship will be denied to people who have committed antisemitic, racist, xenophobic or other defamatory offenses that are seen to be "unreconcilable with commitment to the free democratic basic order."

The new legislation will be debated in parliament and could come into effect in the fall.<

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[–] 17 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Why not?

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  • [+] -30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Cause either be something or not.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's a really dumb reason. People can be 2 different things at once. My mom is Canadian born but my grandfather was in the US airforce. Bam instant dual citizenship.

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thats your problem and you obviously have no grasp on the complexity of Europe.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you sure you're not the one lacking understanding of the complexity of Europe? The closeness and complexity is one of the prime reasons why multiple citizenships can be needed.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So just a gut reaction? Cool.

    There are plenty of good reasons to have dual nationality.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are.

    However, I am looking to the Turkish election and how many people with Turkish citienship living in European countries voted, because they benefit uniquely from the Erdogan result. They can earn regularly in Germany and then have much more spending power in Turkey while also not needing to live in the bad conditions that brings with it. So, they're not really caring for how local projects do, because they don't matter to them.

    This is not a shot against Turkey, it's a shot against people being able to influence a country they're not living in and them not being subjected to negative consequences locally.

    This is something that's weighing on my mind. I am technically an immigrant as well (I was born in Germany, but not with German citizenship) and I keep thinking if it would even make sense for me to be able to influence a country I haven't visited in 25 years.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    That has nothing to do with citizenship though, that is Turkey not having a residence requirement to vote on top of requiring citizenship.

    There are plenty of countries where you need both residence and citizenship to vote. The reason to Turkey to do it the way they do is the party in power is not incentivized to change it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    What countries need residency on top of citizenship to vote?

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are plenty of reason why it should be absolutely forbidden.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    OK and what are they? Having dual nationality makes it easier to travel. For example there are countries where travel or visiting for more than a short period is very difficult for non citizens, if you emigrate from said countries but you need to return for an extended period (such as family illness) you need to keep citizenship to be able to do so legally.

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  • [+] -12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thats all your problem territory...

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not really a problem for me, I try to be empathetic towards other people though!

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    No. The "other people" are the same that vote Erdogan, Preach that Turkey is the best place in the world and are racist as hell, all while living in Germany and not integrating. This is caused by dual citizenships.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    You are aware that there is no dual german-turkish citizenship (yet)? So how is dual citizenship able to cause

    Preach that Turkey is the best place in the world and are racist as hell, all while living in Germany and not integrating.

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