▲ 292 ▼ It Is No Longer Possible to Escape What We Have Done to Ourselves (www.nytimes.com) submitted 2 years ago by silence7@slrpnk.net [M] to c/climate@slrpnk.net 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Mkengine@feddit.de -12 points 2 years ago* (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] zhl@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago What an abhorrent take. That's an insane set of expectations to place on someone who doesn't even have a say in the process of coming into being and, frankly, gambling with another person's life. "Welp, we couldn't fix it but good luck kiddo." Disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) what is your opinion about this view? Personal Opinion: This is as selfish (my child will save the world) and self centred as having a child to "save a marriage" is stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Yup - the overwhelming odds say they'll both contribute and fall victim to the problem, not solve it. We have ~7bn people alive today, and we can't muster the will to do what we know we is needed in order to survive. Instead, we'll refuse to make comparatively small compromises, and sign our children's death warrants. permalink fedilink source parent [–] foo@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago What if your kid lives in abject horror due to systematic failure of the environmental patterns that allow us to thrive permalink fedilink source parent [–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* See, there's also a good chance that a random child might not be that person, and then that kid now gets to deal with all of this, despite having absolutely no input or fault in it. So, for me, it would be weighing the likely options. A) Your child is luckily the answer to these problems Or: B) You've guaranteed that an innocent person has to deal with the effects of generations ignoring societal problems and climate change. I can't say that I really blame young people for not wanting to create more people who would have to struggle with that life. I don't blame them for feeling insecure in their housing situations or for worrying about their finances, either. If they do anyways, they just get told that they should have thought about this stuff before having kids. Respectfully, fuck that noise. WE need to make a solution. Continuing to cross our fingers that the next generation will fix things could easily kill us all. We have to actually start doing stuff ourselves. Previous generations also hoped for a future genius to solve climate problems, and look where that lands us today. What will be do if there isn't a magical scientific answer, and we have to actually start living differently at all levels of society? Hypothetically in that situation, we'd be screwed if we put all of our eggs in the "next generation" basket. How can we know for certain that that won't be the case eventually? Global warming is already starting a feedback loop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago maybe, but very probably (overwhelmingly so) not. I'll take those odds permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zhl@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago What an abhorrent take. That's an insane set of expectations to place on someone who doesn't even have a say in the process of coming into being and, frankly, gambling with another person's life. "Welp, we couldn't fix it but good luck kiddo." Disgusting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 32 points 2 years ago (1 child) what is your opinion about this view? Personal Opinion: This is as selfish (my child will save the world) and self centred as having a child to "save a marriage" is stupid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Yup - the overwhelming odds say they'll both contribute and fall victim to the problem, not solve it. We have ~7bn people alive today, and we can't muster the will to do what we know we is needed in order to survive. Instead, we'll refuse to make comparatively small compromises, and sign our children's death warrants. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Yup - the overwhelming odds say they'll both contribute and fall victim to the problem, not solve it. We have ~7bn people alive today, and we can't muster the will to do what we know we is needed in order to survive. Instead, we'll refuse to make comparatively small compromises, and sign our children's death warrants. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foo@programming.dev 14 points 2 years ago What if your kid lives in abject horror due to systematic failure of the environmental patterns that allow us to thrive permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago* See, there's also a good chance that a random child might not be that person, and then that kid now gets to deal with all of this, despite having absolutely no input or fault in it. So, for me, it would be weighing the likely options. A) Your child is luckily the answer to these problems Or: B) You've guaranteed that an innocent person has to deal with the effects of generations ignoring societal problems and climate change. I can't say that I really blame young people for not wanting to create more people who would have to struggle with that life. I don't blame them for feeling insecure in their housing situations or for worrying about their finances, either. If they do anyways, they just get told that they should have thought about this stuff before having kids. Respectfully, fuck that noise. WE need to make a solution. Continuing to cross our fingers that the next generation will fix things could easily kill us all. We have to actually start doing stuff ourselves. Previous generations also hoped for a future genius to solve climate problems, and look where that lands us today. What will be do if there isn't a magical scientific answer, and we have to actually start living differently at all levels of society? Hypothetically in that situation, we'd be screwed if we put all of our eggs in the "next generation" basket. How can we know for certain that that won't be the case eventually? Global warming is already starting a feedback loop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 years ago maybe, but very probably (overwhelmingly so) not. I'll take those odds permalink fedilink source parent