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[–] 15 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

What is a tankie? How would we know if we are according to you?

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    If you support authoritarian communism, you are a tankie.

    Do you know where the term comes from?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    What is "authoritarian" communism? Sounds like some political compass bullshit that doesn't exist in the real world.

    Yeah it comes from a disagreement amoung British socialists between people who correctly supported the USSR committing military force to safeguard Hungary from a coup, and some libs who were against it

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    What is "authoritarian" communism?

    Why dont you google it?

    Lmao you acting like im making this word up is the most tankie shit i have ever seen.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm not acting like you made it up. I answered your question about where it came from accurately. But it gets thrown around today as a meaningless thought terminating cliche like "woke" is by american conservatives/fascists. So, if you're saying it, I'm going to ask you to clarify, because it doesn't mean anything, except that you don't like it.

    Resorting to "google it" is such cope "Authoritarian" communism is not a real thing. Its some made political compass bullshit

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    While the term was invented first to describe the event you have stated.

    It is also used to describe the actions of the USSR toward the republic of spain during the spainish Civil war. Specifically how the USSR would not openly support the anarchist government fighting a facist coup backed by nazi germany.

    Which is my whole point. The USSR was more freindly toward capitalist governments of Briton & USA at the time. Becuase they are a state and it was more benefical for the USSR to not support an active leftist revolution begging for their help.

    This is why I use the term Tankie. Hierarchical goverments regaurdless of their economic principles will enevitablly trend toward fascism and authoritairnism. It is only a matter of time. The ussr cpc and other "communists" conuntries are no exception.

    Communists have never truly support anarchist.

    "Authoritarian" communism is not a real thing. Its some made political compass bullshit

    Honestly reading this statement makes me so depressed. It makes me want to call more communist tankies because it fits so well.

    Are you so foolish that you don't think a large government ran by a small group of people could not become authoritarian?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think your use of authoritarian is idealist nonsense and has to basis in materialism. I'm a marxist so that is my veiwpoint. If you are a utopian socialist then we will disagree because your veiwpoint is not grounded in a materialist perspective

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I think your use of authoritarian is idealist nonsense

    I disagree it has real implications usually the existence of a police state.

    I am an anarchist . I am against police states.

    China russia and the USA are all police states. They all suck. They all oppress their own people and others.

    There is much nuance. But my beliefs boiled down to a sentence is this:

    Fuck police States and fuck the people who support them.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    All existing countries are police states, it's not a useful term.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Disagree.

    In fact I find it is a better measure of oppressive goverment than most indicators.

    What you really mean to say is most goverments are oppressive and authoritarian. Show me a country with a large prison population and I will show you an authoritarian country.

    Please see the zapatistas. For non police state goverment.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    If those are your beliefs then they are infantile, and its no wonder you are openly against AES and people who support real world projects in socialism. The new world will be built by people around the world while left anti-communists whine about how they are doing it wrong because they don't understand the theoretical basis communist are using in these states, and they refuse to understand the real material contexts in which these societies struggle to survive against the US imperialist world order.

    There are many anarchist comrades on Hexbear who regularly get called "tankies" by people like you and are able to understand the difference between criticizing some AES without being anti-communist. We have a non-sectarian rule there so we don't argue about our specific tendencies. You should maybe soeak to some of them to form a more nuanced view of AES. As an ML i can't really do that, because i do have some fundamental theoretical differences, such as veiwing the term of authoritarian as kind of pointless, thst hoes back to Engels arguing with anarchists about the Paris Commune basically.

    If you're open to a book about left anti-communism and how its driven a wedge between yourself and people you call tankies, i recommend Micheal Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds https://mltheory.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/michael-parenti-blackshirts-and-reds_-rational-fascism-and-the-overthrow-of-communism-2001.pdf

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    We aren't uncritical of the USSR, China, and the DPRK, we just think they broadly did (and do) much more good than bad.

    Also, "CCP" isn't a country or even a party (CPC), it's China or the PRC. I assume when you say "Russia" you mean the Soviet Union that hasn't existed in thirty years as Russia is a capitalist country now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Party

    Do you people have internet?

    I speak of russia generally so I can include USSR and the current state of affairs. I realize they are different but they are both authoritarian.

    They be capitalist but they call themselves communists.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Communist Party of China, CPC. The country that they are in is China (PRC). A billion people do not live in the "CCP", that's like saying Japanese people live in the LDP, and your imprecise use of these terms makes you look uninformed. Unless, of course, you just constantly say "CCP" because you don't want to recognize that they are the legitimate and popular government of China, you know, a country.

    I speak of russia generally so I can include USSR and the current state of affairs. I realize they are different but they are both authoritarian. They be capitalist but they call themselves communists.

    This is a meaningless statement. Any government that wields power to accomplish things is "authoritarian". It's silly to equate the USSR with the Russian Federation when they are two very different administrations with distinct ideology and policies. Russia for the past 30 years is a capitalist country with an administration originally installed by the US. Putin is a right-wing figure and an anti-communist. I don't like Putin and the other rightists in charge of Russia, but I hope NATO doesn't win out in the East because I don't want the US Empire ruling over the whole world.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I get the vibe you're a big fan of le political compass

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    saying it like you do, the imperialist media/state department way, puts emphasis on the "Chinese" part, which we object to for reasons that should be obvious

    you people

    spoiler:cracker:

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