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[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) with a peace agreement permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok, so what does that entail? I don't think you can just jump on TV and call peace. Ukraine has stated many times that they will not agree to any peace deal without the boarders going back to 2014, russia has stated that will not fly. Even if you assume its a full on meat grinder for both sides, how does russia win in this situation? They claimed this military operation was to de-milliteraze Ukraine, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to put a stop to NATO expansion, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to protect the Donbas people, now they are the group who has suffered the largest casualties in this conflict. They claimed this military operation was to ensure the russian people prosperity and security, the opposite has happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) what it entails are the borders freezing and everyone getting bored of sending 17 year olds through minefields east ukraine will never be part of ukraine again, do you really think there is a going back now over a million people have died? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That is my point, there is no going back. Even if Ukraine before this was on shaky ground as a nation they are now determined to fight on and on and on. russia also has no credibility as shown today, and this has been stated many times by Ukraine that any treaty with russia is worth less then the paper it is printed on. So I ask again, how does russia get anyone to show up and sign anything? How do they force peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Ukraine are forced to the table when the west stops sending them money, which I wager will be within a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ok, so what does that entail? I don't think you can just jump on TV and call peace. Ukraine has stated many times that they will not agree to any peace deal without the boarders going back to 2014, russia has stated that will not fly. Even if you assume its a full on meat grinder for both sides, how does russia win in this situation? They claimed this military operation was to de-milliteraze Ukraine, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to put a stop to NATO expansion, the opposite has happened. They claimed this military operation was to protect the Donbas people, now they are the group who has suffered the largest casualties in this conflict. They claimed this military operation was to ensure the russian people prosperity and security, the opposite has happened. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) what it entails are the borders freezing and everyone getting bored of sending 17 year olds through minefields east ukraine will never be part of ukraine again, do you really think there is a going back now over a million people have died? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That is my point, there is no going back. Even if Ukraine before this was on shaky ground as a nation they are now determined to fight on and on and on. russia also has no credibility as shown today, and this has been stated many times by Ukraine that any treaty with russia is worth less then the paper it is printed on. So I ask again, how does russia get anyone to show up and sign anything? How do they force peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Ukraine are forced to the table when the west stops sending them money, which I wager will be within a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) what it entails are the borders freezing and everyone getting bored of sending 17 year olds through minefields east ukraine will never be part of ukraine again, do you really think there is a going back now over a million people have died? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That is my point, there is no going back. Even if Ukraine before this was on shaky ground as a nation they are now determined to fight on and on and on. russia also has no credibility as shown today, and this has been stated many times by Ukraine that any treaty with russia is worth less then the paper it is printed on. So I ask again, how does russia get anyone to show up and sign anything? How do they force peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Ukraine are forced to the table when the west stops sending them money, which I wager will be within a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) That is my point, there is no going back. Even if Ukraine before this was on shaky ground as a nation they are now determined to fight on and on and on. russia also has no credibility as shown today, and this has been stated many times by Ukraine that any treaty with russia is worth less then the paper it is printed on. So I ask again, how does russia get anyone to show up and sign anything? How do they force peace? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Ukraine are forced to the table when the west stops sending them money, which I wager will be within a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Ukraine are forced to the table when the west stops sending them money, which I wager will be within a year. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) That at least is an answer, and while I don't think it will happen (the collective west is doing to well from this) I do appreciate an honest attempt. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) Most of the collective west is currently undergoing a thinly veiled reccession and electing more and more unstable forms of government, like the neo-nazi gov of italy, the shitshow that is UK politics (which is doing worse economically than russia, a country at war) and the clown parade that is the american govs complete inability to do anything for its own people. There is already talk of pulling aid from Ukraine in many EU states like Austria and the US is starting to pivot towards Taiwan and has been calling this recent push 'Ukraines last chance', which they are admitting is failing. The paymasters are calling time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yeah, I don't see it what with the re armament of most of these western countries. There does not seem to be a lack of last gen equipment to send. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) there is no re-armament, none of the western ecomonies are geared for war, only the american military is and they are done sharing there surplus. all that the west had to give was what it could afford to give away from its reserves without crippling there own defence sectors, russia has a active war ecomony, the west does not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/ukraine-and-the-eclipse-of-pacifism/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2023/01/13/commentary/japan-commentary/japan-rearmament/ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-02/europe-s-peace-dividend-is-over-why-rearmament-is-not-that-easy There is no war in ba sing se permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) cltr+f'd 'aid' on your first article, no results (other than it hitting other words with aid in it) that article is literally just about the military industrial complex being spun up in western europe instead of shit like housing lmao, nowhere does it suggest that ukraine will be receiving any of that, only that the money will be going to 'defence', this is not a war ecomony and I suspect you dont know what that is. furthermore I suspect most of that money will be spent replenishing all of the things they just gave away, you realize permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, they are in support of the western world rearming. Nothing to do with aid. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ghost_of_faso2@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) the western world will be rearming, just not ukraine permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 point 2 years ago Yes, that is what is happening if the budgets and contracts are to be believed. permalink fedilink source parent