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Remember me comrades! (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 39 points 2 years ago (1 child)

There is a healthy and honest way to appreciate communism, Russia, the CCP and even DPRK.

Please tell us more about those healthy and honest "anti-authoritarian" non-tankie communists. Who are they and what political results have they made?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara

    Please shut up and read more.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sankara is a tankie by everyone's definition here. He came to power via a coup, held military tribunals trying people for corruption, formed armed groups to defend the revolution, and was vehemently against NATO, the IMF, and other western powers.

    What does anti-authoritarian mean to you if Sankara is anti-authoritarian

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago*

    Also arrested trade union leaders and got into it with a teacher's union. I obviously support Sankara, and like you say he's really not different from any other communist leaders except that he was assassinated and his work undone.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    He came to power via a coup, held military tribunals trying people for corruption, formed armed groups to defend the revolution, and was vehemently against NATO, the IMF, and other western powers.

    You think trying people for corruption make you authoritarian?

    Are you a liberal?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think that authoritarian is a basically meaningless term when applied to a states.

    All states are in the business of using lethal violence, or the threat of it at least, to enforce their rule within their borders.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thats why i am an anarchist......

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Okay so if being "authoritarian" is bad and means you shouldn't be supported, and Sankara ran a state, making him authoritarian, by a definition you're now agreeing with (again, anyone who runs a state) why are you pretending you don't think he's an authoritarian and trying to use him as a cudgel against people who actually share an ideology with him?

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  • [+] 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    By all measures, you should hate Sankara as well. Be consistent.

    i dont think. so sankara did some really cool things.

    The USSR did some cool things too , AT FIRST: then they started murdering anarchist and consolidating power and becoming a police state. As an anarchist I oppose this.

    Maybe Sankara would have done the same if he lived. But he didn't. He was murdered in a US back coup. He was murdered for being an anti imperialist.

    The USSR is not anti imperialst. Neither is the CPC. These communists experiments became police states. Sankara didnt.

    Sankara fought for nitrution, literacy anticorruption anti imperialism. He put more women in government snd fought against female genital mutilation. Anarchist support all of these things.

    What we dont support is police states. Among other things.

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  • [+] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Sankara isn't a non-tankie just because he didn't live to the tankie phase, he was always acting as an ML.

    I believe there is a difference in being ML and having police state aspirations/trending authoritarian. Which is when I use the term tankie.

    Maybe I'm wrong tho you tell me. I liked what sankara did and I dont want to negate the cool things he did simply becuase he got murdered and we dont know what he was going to become.

    There is nuance in his life that I can accept. But what I cannot accept is modern day MLs who look fondly on the actions of the USSR, russian federation and the modern day CPC. they are large authoritarian states that I cannot support as an anarchist.

    Everytime I bring this up tho. I get called a lib.

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  • [–] 42 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Sankara supported the USSR and DPRK, just like all actual communists do

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (3 children)

    Im not a communist, i am an anarchist.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Then why are you telling communist to read about Sankara, a figure we already know and love

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Becuase he is am example of a communist I support.

    People keep calling me a liberal. Im an anarchist.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sankara was ML like all the people you're calling tankies. I respect him too. What makes him good and and the rest of us evil "authoritarians"?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He set up Popular Revolutionary Tribunals to prosecute public officials charged with political crimes[12] and corruption, considering such elements of the state counter-revolutionaries.[15] This led to criticism by Amnesty International for human rights violations, including extrajudicial executions and arbitrary detentions of political opponents.[16]

    idk sounds pretty authoritarian to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (2 children)

    His country had corruption!

    Im sure there is a better way but your acting like having tribunals makes you authoritarian.

    It doesn't.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago

    Statists using tribunals to try other statists is the use of state authority and the use of the state's monopoly on the legitimate use of force. If "Authoritarian" means anything at all then using the power of the state to prosecute people who are doing state stuff in ways you don't like is authoritarian.

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