▲ 292 ▼ It Is No Longer Possible to Escape What We Have Done to Ourselves (www.nytimes.com) submitted 3 years ago by silence7@slrpnk.net [M] to c/climate@slrpnk.net 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Neato@kbin.social 15 points 3 years ago (3 children) Show me how to stop using oil. SHOW ME. What I, an individual, can do. And don't say: consume less. I need to eat to live. And don't say: vote for politicians. We're doing that and it isn't fast enough. So, what can an individual do to stop this? Go on. We're all waiting. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) As an individual? Not much. As a small group of co-conspirators? Nothing that can be advocated for on a public forum, but there are a few options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sour@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Wow you're so edgy permalink fedilink source parent [+] gowan@reddthat.com -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) So your solution is: austerity for the poors. Not for the rich. But we can slightly reduce our carbon footprint by not eating meat. OK. This doesn't stop climate change. This just makes life harder and less pleasurable for the majority of people. This is what the rich push. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] gowan@reddthat.com -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago The West going to plant based diets would significantly cut emissions. Nowhere near enough to matter. I mentioned wealth because the vast majority of people are not "rich". And it's the rich who own the corporations that make these decisions that affect the climate and how fuels are used. I.e. you are proposing austerity for the masses that will NOT stop climate change. You are the problem as you are shilling for big business. My point is there ISN'T anything individuals can do to stop climate change. We have to hold the rich and corporate owners accountable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -4 points 3 years ago (3 children) There's very little, without systemic change. But blaming the 7 companies is too easy, as well. Imagine, if you will - what happens if the 7 companies tomorrow simply say 'you convinced us - we will completely cease operations tomorrow'. Lots of dead people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's easy to blame them because it's true. At this point, many of them are too stablished to just go away with the power of the wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) So, once again. If it's 7 companies to blame - do you think shutting them down tomorrow is the simple solution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It may not be simple, but I'm sure nature wouldn't mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Hey bud, I'm the guy you asked what in my opinion would happen if companies halved their consumption over night. I just wanted you to know that I replied, but due to the fact that the mod of this place disagreed with something I had to say about cruise liners, I got banned and all my comments erased. Good luck, and try not to disagree with the power tripper here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Annoying. If you still have a copy - could you DM me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I do not. The gist of my reply was just that cutting production by half doesn't have to happen over night. Setting a scaling goal of five years, for example, would give ample time for people to adapt and less environmentally strenuous alternatives to arise. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that change doesn't have to come from the bottom as well. I'm also not super keen on continuing this conversation in the wake of being wholesale banned for talking about corporate interests. It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago It absolutely is a fallacy - but then I think the "its just 7 companies" is a fallacy too. It gives the false impression that CO2 emissions can be tackled trivially simply - just sort those companies out, and we are sorted. We aren't. Setting aside for a moment, the criminal lobbying they have been doing, those companies are meeting current demand. Let's say they don't shut down - lets say they halve capacity tomorrow. What happens, in your opinion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) As an individual? Not much. As a small group of co-conspirators? Nothing that can be advocated for on a public forum, but there are a few options. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] sour@feddit.de 1 point 3 years ago Wow you're so edgy permalink fedilink source parent
[+] gowan@reddthat.com -1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) So your solution is: austerity for the poors. Not for the rich. But we can slightly reduce our carbon footprint by not eating meat. OK. This doesn't stop climate change. This just makes life harder and less pleasurable for the majority of people. This is what the rich push. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] gowan@reddthat.com -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago The West going to plant based diets would significantly cut emissions. Nowhere near enough to matter. I mentioned wealth because the vast majority of people are not "rich". And it's the rich who own the corporations that make these decisions that affect the climate and how fuels are used. I.e. you are proposing austerity for the masses that will NOT stop climate change. You are the problem as you are shilling for big business. My point is there ISN'T anything individuals can do to stop climate change. We have to hold the rich and corporate owners accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neato@kbin.social 20 points 3 years ago (1 child) So your solution is: austerity for the poors. Not for the rich. But we can slightly reduce our carbon footprint by not eating meat. OK. This doesn't stop climate change. This just makes life harder and less pleasurable for the majority of people. This is what the rich push. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] gowan@reddthat.com -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago The West going to plant based diets would significantly cut emissions. Nowhere near enough to matter. I mentioned wealth because the vast majority of people are not "rich". And it's the rich who own the corporations that make these decisions that affect the climate and how fuels are used. I.e. you are proposing austerity for the masses that will NOT stop climate change. You are the problem as you are shilling for big business. My point is there ISN'T anything individuals can do to stop climate change. We have to hold the rich and corporate owners accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] gowan@reddthat.com -4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Neato@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago The West going to plant based diets would significantly cut emissions. Nowhere near enough to matter. I mentioned wealth because the vast majority of people are not "rich". And it's the rich who own the corporations that make these decisions that affect the climate and how fuels are used. I.e. you are proposing austerity for the masses that will NOT stop climate change. You are the problem as you are shilling for big business. My point is there ISN'T anything individuals can do to stop climate change. We have to hold the rich and corporate owners accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Neato@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago The West going to plant based diets would significantly cut emissions. Nowhere near enough to matter. I mentioned wealth because the vast majority of people are not "rich". And it's the rich who own the corporations that make these decisions that affect the climate and how fuels are used. I.e. you are proposing austerity for the masses that will NOT stop climate change. You are the problem as you are shilling for big business. My point is there ISN'T anything individuals can do to stop climate change. We have to hold the rich and corporate owners accountable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -4 points 3 years ago (3 children) There's very little, without systemic change. But blaming the 7 companies is too easy, as well. Imagine, if you will - what happens if the 7 companies tomorrow simply say 'you convinced us - we will completely cease operations tomorrow'. Lots of dead people. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's easy to blame them because it's true. At this point, many of them are too stablished to just go away with the power of the wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) So, once again. If it's 7 companies to blame - do you think shutting them down tomorrow is the simple solution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It may not be simple, but I'm sure nature wouldn't mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Hey bud, I'm the guy you asked what in my opinion would happen if companies halved their consumption over night. I just wanted you to know that I replied, but due to the fact that the mod of this place disagreed with something I had to say about cruise liners, I got banned and all my comments erased. Good luck, and try not to disagree with the power tripper here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Annoying. If you still have a copy - could you DM me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I do not. The gist of my reply was just that cutting production by half doesn't have to happen over night. Setting a scaling goal of five years, for example, would give ample time for people to adapt and less environmentally strenuous alternatives to arise. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that change doesn't have to come from the bottom as well. I'm also not super keen on continuing this conversation in the wake of being wholesale banned for talking about corporate interests. It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago It absolutely is a fallacy - but then I think the "its just 7 companies" is a fallacy too. It gives the false impression that CO2 emissions can be tackled trivially simply - just sort those companies out, and we are sorted. We aren't. Setting aside for a moment, the criminal lobbying they have been doing, those companies are meeting current demand. Let's say they don't shut down - lets say they halve capacity tomorrow. What happens, in your opinion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GyozaPower@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) It's easy to blame them because it's true. At this point, many of them are too stablished to just go away with the power of the wallet. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) So, once again. If it's 7 companies to blame - do you think shutting them down tomorrow is the simple solution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It may not be simple, but I'm sure nature wouldn't mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social -2 points 3 years ago (1 child) So, once again. If it's 7 companies to blame - do you think shutting them down tomorrow is the simple solution? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It may not be simple, but I'm sure nature wouldn't mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago (1 child) It may not be simple, but I'm sure nature wouldn't mind. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 3 points 3 years ago (1 child) ok play it through a bit, so we shut down those 7 companies - i'm not sure which seven companies people are talking about but i assume it's related to this statistic Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions so let's just shut them all down... mother nature breaths a sigh of relief as billions of people die because of the collapse of global infrastructure, world governments collapse, desperate conflicts erupt around the world with warlords taking over oil reserves and production facilities... the handful of dictators with working tanks and who only care about wealth and power subjugate the helpless and starving masses promising food and prosperity when victory comes... Now the planet has been purged of everyone who actually cares about the climate, every available source of food and energy is stripped in a frantic battle for survival - how many people do you know that would let their kids freeze to death and how many people do you know that'd go out and chop down a tree to burn? A couple of months of winter and every tree in every city would be felled. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EremesZorn@beehaw.org 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) And there it is. That's the problem with the sort of naive idealists that frequent communities like this, fuck_cars, etc. Their concerns are valid but their own ideas for how the world should work, how the problems should be solved are just as dangerous as the root of the problem. Maybe even moreso, in some cases. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RoboGroMo@slrpnk.net 2 points 3 years ago it's not entirely irrational though, if you're convinced you're in a frying pan and doom is imminent then it can feel like your only option is to jump out into the fire - and maybe it will work out better, maybe we'd land on a recently added log and spring to safety... personally i'm more about doing some parcour out the pan and along and the wooden handle or jumping onto the hand holding the spatula and burning through the flesh of the beast that got us into this dire situation. By that i of course mean developing a powerful open-source movement and an educated community which is able to transition to better ways of living without hurting anyone, it's harder and far more complex but something we absolutely must strive for. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) Hey bud, I'm the guy you asked what in my opinion would happen if companies halved their consumption over night. I just wanted you to know that I replied, but due to the fact that the mod of this place disagreed with something I had to say about cruise liners, I got banned and all my comments erased. Good luck, and try not to disagree with the power tripper here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Annoying. If you still have a copy - could you DM me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I do not. The gist of my reply was just that cutting production by half doesn't have to happen over night. Setting a scaling goal of five years, for example, would give ample time for people to adapt and less environmentally strenuous alternatives to arise. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that change doesn't have to come from the bottom as well. I'm also not super keen on continuing this conversation in the wake of being wholesale banned for talking about corporate interests. It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Annoying. If you still have a copy - could you DM me? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I do not. The gist of my reply was just that cutting production by half doesn't have to happen over night. Setting a scaling goal of five years, for example, would give ample time for people to adapt and less environmentally strenuous alternatives to arise. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that change doesn't have to come from the bottom as well. I'm also not super keen on continuing this conversation in the wake of being wholesale banned for talking about corporate interests. It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 years ago (1 child) I do not. The gist of my reply was just that cutting production by half doesn't have to happen over night. Setting a scaling goal of five years, for example, would give ample time for people to adapt and less environmentally strenuous alternatives to arise. Anyway, I'm not trying to say that change doesn't have to come from the bottom as well. I'm also not super keen on continuing this conversation in the wake of being wholesale banned for talking about corporate interests. It just kind of left a bad taste in my mouth. Thanks for listening. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 2 points 3 years ago Thank for taking part. I appreciate it - and I would have like to have explored this with you. I do appreciate batting ideas about with pople of differing viewpoint. I think we botgh have the same goal in mind permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago It absolutely is a fallacy - but then I think the "its just 7 companies" is a fallacy too. It gives the false impression that CO2 emissions can be tackled trivially simply - just sort those companies out, and we are sorted. We aren't. Setting aside for a moment, the criminal lobbying they have been doing, those companies are meeting current demand. Let's say they don't shut down - lets say they halve capacity tomorrow. What happens, in your opinion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HeartyBeast@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago It absolutely is a fallacy - but then I think the "its just 7 companies" is a fallacy too. It gives the false impression that CO2 emissions can be tackled trivially simply - just sort those companies out, and we are sorted. We aren't. Setting aside for a moment, the criminal lobbying they have been doing, those companies are meeting current demand. Let's say they don't shut down - lets say they halve capacity tomorrow. What happens, in your opinion? permalink fedilink source parent