▲ 292 ▼ It Is No Longer Possible to Escape What We Have Done to Ourselves (www.nytimes.com) submitted 2 years ago by silence7@slrpnk.net [M] to c/climate@slrpnk.net 113 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] WilliamTheWicked@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (4 children) I'm only in my thirties. I don't really think I had like..... A huge hand in all this. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Bipta@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well it can't be the billionaires or the boomers, so it must be your fault. This is what late stage capitalists actually believe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Syl@jlai.lu 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Booillionaires. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You're conflating greenhouse gas emissions with particulate pollution. Particulates damage lungs and drop temperatures, but fall out of the atmosphere within a few weeks of emission into the troposphere. CO2 accumulates, and raises temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) The stats linked above are for the sulfate emissions. What you're doing is trying to discourage action, and that's not ok here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Half of the cumulative CO2 emissions since the industrial revolution have happened in your lifetime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how many in their voting lifetime? About 25% according to that site. Now how many were in their country? Surely a much smaller portion. But we're all to blame really, because we all take part in the system. The only way to escape blame is to not live. Although, to be clear, blame should not be evenly distributed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of "escaping" the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are we forced to take a flight across the world and a cruise in a ginormous cruise ship every year? A lot of people do this. I totally agree that we're forced to be part of the system, but that excuse only goes so far. A lot people go way, way, way beyond what we're forced to do. Granted, we keep being told by the media and politicians mostly that it's no big deal, but even what little they say already gets a lot of people riled up. Imagine what would happen if they told the full truth and told us the true extent of the measures that were required? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bipta@kbin.social 56 points 2 years ago (2 children) Well it can't be the billionaires or the boomers, so it must be your fault. This is what late stage capitalists actually believe permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Syl@jlai.lu 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago Booillionaires. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Syl@jlai.lu 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Yearly1845@reddthat.com 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You're conflating greenhouse gas emissions with particulate pollution. Particulates damage lungs and drop temperatures, but fall out of the atmosphere within a few weeks of emission into the troposphere. CO2 accumulates, and raises temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) The stats linked above are for the sulfate emissions. What you're doing is trying to discourage action, and that's not ok here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) You're conflating greenhouse gas emissions with particulate pollution. Particulates damage lungs and drop temperatures, but fall out of the atmosphere within a few weeks of emission into the troposphere. CO2 accumulates, and raises temperatures. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) The stats linked above are for the sulfate emissions. What you're doing is trying to discourage action, and that's not ok here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) The stats linked above are for the sulfate emissions. What you're doing is trying to discourage action, and that's not ok here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children) The stats linked above are for the sulfate emissions. What you're doing is trying to discourage action, and that's not ok here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GuilhermePelayo@slrpnk.net 7 points 2 years ago I mean in defense of the other person. It sounds more like the argument is trying to encourage a bigger action. Like don't just do your part, vote/participate for what actually changes things in a larger scale. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] silence7@slrpnk.net [S] -16 points 2 years ago (2 children) Half of the cumulative CO2 emissions since the industrial revolution have happened in your lifetime. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how many in their voting lifetime? About 25% according to that site. Now how many were in their country? Surely a much smaller portion. But we're all to blame really, because we all take part in the system. The only way to escape blame is to not live. Although, to be clear, blame should not be evenly distributed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of "escaping" the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are we forced to take a flight across the world and a cruise in a ginormous cruise ship every year? A lot of people do this. I totally agree that we're forced to be part of the system, but that excuse only goes so far. A lot people go way, way, way beyond what we're forced to do. Granted, we keep being told by the media and politicians mostly that it's no big deal, but even what little they say already gets a lot of people riled up. Imagine what would happen if they told the full truth and told us the true extent of the measures that were required? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago (1 child) And how many in their voting lifetime? About 25% according to that site. Now how many were in their country? Surely a much smaller portion. But we're all to blame really, because we all take part in the system. The only way to escape blame is to not live. Although, to be clear, blame should not be evenly distributed here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of "escaping" the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are we forced to take a flight across the world and a cruise in a ginormous cruise ship every year? A lot of people do this. I totally agree that we're forced to be part of the system, but that excuse only goes so far. A lot people go way, way, way beyond what we're forced to do. Granted, we keep being told by the media and politicians mostly that it's no big deal, but even what little they say already gets a lot of people riled up. Imagine what would happen if they told the full truth and told us the true extent of the measures that were required? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] young_broccoli@kbin.social 14 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont think we are not all to blame. We are forced to be part of the system, as you mention, the only way of "escaping" the system is by not being alive. How can we be blamed for something that was imposed on us? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are we forced to take a flight across the world and a cruise in a ginormous cruise ship every year? A lot of people do this. I totally agree that we're forced to be part of the system, but that excuse only goes so far. A lot people go way, way, way beyond what we're forced to do. Granted, we keep being told by the media and politicians mostly that it's no big deal, but even what little they say already gets a lot of people riled up. Imagine what would happen if they told the full truth and told us the true extent of the measures that were required? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Are we forced to take a flight across the world and a cruise in a ginormous cruise ship every year? A lot of people do this. I totally agree that we're forced to be part of the system, but that excuse only goes so far. A lot people go way, way, way beyond what we're forced to do. Granted, we keep being told by the media and politicians mostly that it's no big deal, but even what little they say already gets a lot of people riled up. Imagine what would happen if they told the full truth and told us the true extent of the measures that were required? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I dont know about you but im 36 and ive been on 1 boat and 4 planes in my entire life. And those planes flew from the uk to france. I think the demographic for going on cruise ships is more the people over 50. amd flights every year? Well how about private jet flights multiple times a day. We may not be helping that much but we arent the main cause of the problem. Thats the mega rich and the corporations. Im ot shirking responsibility but it helps to aim at the root of the problem if you want to solve it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xapr@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago I actually used to fly for vacation about once a year for several years before COVID, but never taken cruise. However, my feeling now is that air travel for leisure should be banned outright worldwide because it's low hanging fruit to reduce human carbon output. This says that aviation is responsible for about 2.5% of total carbon output. Heck, ban private jets at the same time! As much as I love to dunk on mega rich people and corporations as much anyone else, we will never handle the issue of airplane pollution if we focus only on them. There are only so many people who fly in private jets. They are vastly outnumbered by middle class people who combined take millions of flights a year. This FAA document says: "The number of passengers flown by air carriers increased by 55 percent, to 917 million in FY2022 (Section 1). This remains below the pre-pandemic (FY2019) level of 1,057.6 million passengers." That's around 1 billion passengers every year! Unfortunately I couldn't find actual figures that compare total fuel consumption of private jets vs commercial jets in aggregate, but according to this article, 1 out of every 6 flights handled by the FAA is for a private jet, and a private jet emits at least 10x more pollutants per passenger than a commercial plane. Do you see the problem? Private jets probably carry an average of 10 passengers and commercial jets probably carry an average of 200 passengers (both of these are complete guesstimates). 10 passengers x 1 flight x 10x pollutants (total: 100 pollutant units) vs 100 passengers x 5 flights vs 1x pollutants (total: 500 pollutant units). In other words, just going by these completely thrown together numbers, it would appear that commercial flights produce at least 5x more carbon in total as private flights, and I feel that I was very conservative in my estimates. I suspect that commercial airlines produce much more than 5x the pollutants of private jets in total. permalink fedilink source parent
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