▲ 537 ▼ Israel sharpens its tone to Spain: "The Inquisition is over. Those who harm us, we will harm them" (www.elnacional.cat) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 207 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RockyC@lemm.ee 50 points 2 years ago (4 children) Fuck Israel right in the ass with a 2x4. They have become the very genocidal monster that they were once the victims of. Fuck Israel. permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] tekila@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (3 children) Israel was never the Nazis' victim, Jewish people were. Israel is not equal to Jewish people and this is doing a huge disservice to all the Jewish people around the world fighting against this colonial state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Wasn't modern Israel founded by Holocaust Survivors or something? I dunno history I just always heard that.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948. Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Thanks, that may be what I'm thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they're doing now is Genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen. I'm not saying terrorists aren't evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of "the west" fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans. Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn't far fetched. Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians. Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago* Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That's why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [+] suction@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You need to read a book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can we not act like this? If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Probably permalink fedilink source parent [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, but pretending they don't happen to be Jewish just undercuts our credibility. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And yet the people who run Israel are all Jewish. So it's certainly fair to criticize them for committing atrocities like ones that that were done to their people in the past. The Israeli government, not Jews in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that's actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren't in the drivers seat of anything. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) As a woodworker I am compelled to point out that milled lumber is available in much larger nominal dimensions than 2x4. There's no need to limit yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) 6x6 support beam? Something real nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy "river tables" out of? permalink fedilink source parent [–] escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They have become Always have been permalink fedilink source parent [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) "They" in this context clearly means "the government of Israel", which is made up of Jews. It's not "all Jews" it's "these specific people in power who are also Jews". You could use this same bullshit claim to say that criticizing the US government is anti-Christian. No, it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant. But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement: FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4. The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide. FUCK ISRAEL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sigh. The first "they" is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first "they" refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It's either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way. I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they'd try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know exactly what I said. I said Israel, as in the state of. As a state is composed of the members of its government, I used the plural pronoun “they.” Get off of your horse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago See my reply later in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tekila@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (3 children) Israel was never the Nazis' victim, Jewish people were. Israel is not equal to Jewish people and this is doing a huge disservice to all the Jewish people around the world fighting against this colonial state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Wasn't modern Israel founded by Holocaust Survivors or something? I dunno history I just always heard that.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948. Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Thanks, that may be what I'm thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they're doing now is Genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen. I'm not saying terrorists aren't evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of "the west" fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans. Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn't far fetched. Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians. Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago* Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That's why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [+] suction@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You need to read a book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can we not act like this? If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Probably permalink fedilink source parent [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, but pretending they don't happen to be Jewish just undercuts our credibility. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And yet the people who run Israel are all Jewish. So it's certainly fair to criticize them for committing atrocities like ones that that were done to their people in the past. The Israeli government, not Jews in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that's actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren't in the drivers seat of anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (3 children) Wasn't modern Israel founded by Holocaust Survivors or something? I dunno history I just always heard that.... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948. Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Thanks, that may be what I'm thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they're doing now is Genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen. I'm not saying terrorists aren't evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of "the west" fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans. Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn't far fetched. Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians. Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent [–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago* Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That's why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII. permalink fedilink source parent [+] suction@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You need to read a book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can we not act like this? If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Probably permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JaN0h4ck@feddit.de 13 points 2 years ago (3 children) Zionism is an Austrian idea, that the British started to enact after the Ottoman Empire fell in 1917. The United Nations then published their partition plan in 1947 which was followed by the Israel Declaration of Independence in 1948. Which means yes, technically the founding was done by Holocaust Survivors, but in reality Israels history is not too dissimilar to Colonialism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Thanks, that may be what I'm thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they're doing now is Genocide. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen. I'm not saying terrorists aren't evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of "the west" fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans. Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn't far fetched. Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians. Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago Thanks, that may be what I'm thinking of. Regardless of how Israel started, what they're doing now is Genocide. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago We also have to remember that prior to 1917, in order to get their cooperation, The British and French promised various Arab states land and independence after the fall of the Ottomans. Only to THEN turn around and form the Sykes-Picot agreement divvying up the land amongst themselves. This is where the idea of a Zionist state first began to be discussed and various Arab groups were betrayed to make it happen. I'm not saying terrorists aren't evil. But everything in the middle east is the result of "the west" fucking the people over there over for more than a hundred years. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) To be fair, Jews were also massive victims of empire and colonialism. They were kicked around Europe for centuries since the Greeks and the Romans. Now, on the fall of the Ottoman Empire all kinds of populations coalesced into nation-states (also, all while kicking out people that did not identify with the new nation - massive population exchanges at the time, millions of dead in forced marches out of a region). Most back to the heartlands of their ancestral lands - so the idea wasn't far fetched. Unfortunately, unlike those other populations Jews were in diaspora so long that they had kept little physical connection with that land which was now occupied mostly by Palestinians. Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Fun fact: A plan was hatched to allocate a portion of Australia instead "Shalom, cunt!" permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 years ago* Not really, it was started before the Holocaust, and it involved actual Nazis. See, antisemites are often quite happy with Zionism because they like the idea of an ethnostate that they can ship all the Jews off to. That's why pre-WWII German Zionists were able to negotiate the Haavara Agreement, which allowed them to transfer their property to Palestine, and allowed 60,000 Jews to migrate there before WWII. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] suction@lemmy.world -13 points 2 years ago (2 children) You need to read a book permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can we not act like this? If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent [–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Probably permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Can we not act like this? If someone is misinformed then you educate and correct them, not mock them. Especially when the person in question is clearly open minded and willing to learn. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent
[+] suction@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago You do that, I’ll do what I think is helping the most permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, but pretending they don't happen to be Jewish just undercuts our credibility. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) And yet the people who run Israel are all Jewish. So it's certainly fair to criticize them for committing atrocities like ones that that were done to their people in the past. The Israeli government, not Jews in general. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that's actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren't in the drivers seat of anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (Israel \ Non-Jewish Israelis) ⊂ Jews There, in precise mathematical notation. Yes, that's actually a tautology, but we all know the Arab Israelis and similar aren't in the drivers seat of anything. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) As a woodworker I am compelled to point out that milled lumber is available in much larger nominal dimensions than 2x4. There's no need to limit yourself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) 6x6 support beam? Something real nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy "river tables" out of? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) 6x6 support beam? Something real nice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy "river tables" out of? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago What about a 4 inch thick whole trunk bark on slab like they make those ridiculous trendy "river tables" out of? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] escaped_cruzader@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They have become Always have been permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) "They" in this context clearly means "the government of Israel", which is made up of Jews. It's not "all Jews" it's "these specific people in power who are also Jews". You could use this same bullshit claim to say that criticizing the US government is anti-Christian. No, it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant. But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement: FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4. The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide. FUCK ISRAEL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sigh. The first "they" is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first "they" refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It's either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way. I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they'd try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know exactly what I said. I said Israel, as in the state of. As a state is composed of the members of its government, I used the plural pronoun “they.” Get off of your horse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago See my reply later in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) "They" in this context clearly means "the government of Israel", which is made up of Jews. It's not "all Jews" it's "these specific people in power who are also Jews". You could use this same bullshit claim to say that criticizing the US government is anti-Christian. No, it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant. But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement: FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4. The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide. FUCK ISRAEL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sigh. The first "they" is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first "they" refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It's either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way. I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they'd try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant. But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement: FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4. The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide. FUCK ISRAEL. permalink fedilink source parent [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sigh. The first "they" is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first "they" refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It's either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way. I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they'd try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Instead of countering my argument, you are engaging in pedantry. You know exactly what I meant. But for the pedants, I’ll rephrase my original statement: FUCK ISRAEL RIGHT IN THE ASS WITH A 2x4. The Israeli government, themselves descendants of survivors of one of the most horrific genocidal events in human history, have chosen to become perpetrators of genocide. FUCK ISRAEL. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Sigh. The first "they" is the Israeli government, the second is Jews in general. The first "they" refers to who is committing atrocities, the second is referring to who has been the victim of atrocities historically. It's either bad faith or obtuse of you to try to interpret it any other way. I hate the people in the Israeli government who are committing genocide. They happen to be Jews, which means that you would think they'd try to be better based on the history of atrocities being committed against them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Look, this sentence only makes sense if both “theys” are the same group of people. I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, against my better judgement. "The Israeli government has become the very genocidal monster that Jews were once the victims of." What about this sentence doesn't make sense to you? And why do you insist on seeing antisemitism in it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RockyC@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I know exactly what I said. I said Israel, as in the state of. As a state is composed of the members of its government, I used the plural pronoun “they.” Get off of your horse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago See my reply later in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago See my reply later in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RockyC@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago See my reply later in this thread. permalink fedilink source parent