▲ 383 ▼ In 2007, after one of their gorillas, Bokito, escaped and attacked a women who stared at him every day, the Rotterdam Zoo started handing out glasses that tricked the gorillas to avoid stare (files.catbox.moe) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Blaze@reddthat.com to c/interestingasfuck@lemm.ee 84 comments fedilink hide all child comments https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokito_(gorilla)
[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) they can be mitigated But not eliminated. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You and I have different moral systems and you think that hammering a deal-breaker for you will cause me to change my mind, when I'm perfectly okay with causing a small harm in order to secure a much much greater good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) hammering a deal-breaker for you will cause me to change my mind I don't understand this part of your sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You keep bringing up that zoos cause harm. This seems to be a deal-breaker for you. It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. In my view, it's acceptable to cause a small amount of harm, if you get significantly greater good from doing so. Of course the details matter, and I don't believe either of us would argue our position in every scenario, but in this case I find the manageable harm caused by zoos to be worth the increased interest in wildlife conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. It seems to me that we have different goals. manageable harm Obdurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) You and I have different moral systems and you think that hammering a deal-breaker for you will cause me to change my mind, when I'm perfectly okay with causing a small harm in order to secure a much much greater good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) hammering a deal-breaker for you will cause me to change my mind I don't understand this part of your sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You keep bringing up that zoos cause harm. This seems to be a deal-breaker for you. It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. In my view, it's acceptable to cause a small amount of harm, if you get significantly greater good from doing so. Of course the details matter, and I don't believe either of us would argue our position in every scenario, but in this case I find the manageable harm caused by zoos to be worth the increased interest in wildlife conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. It seems to me that we have different goals. manageable harm Obdurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) hammering a deal-breaker for you will cause me to change my mind I don't understand this part of your sentence. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You keep bringing up that zoos cause harm. This seems to be a deal-breaker for you. It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. In my view, it's acceptable to cause a small amount of harm, if you get significantly greater good from doing so. Of course the details matter, and I don't believe either of us would argue our position in every scenario, but in this case I find the manageable harm caused by zoos to be worth the increased interest in wildlife conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. It seems to me that we have different goals. manageable harm Obdurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You keep bringing up that zoos cause harm. This seems to be a deal-breaker for you. It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. In my view, it's acceptable to cause a small amount of harm, if you get significantly greater good from doing so. Of course the details matter, and I don't believe either of us would argue our position in every scenario, but in this case I find the manageable harm caused by zoos to be worth the increased interest in wildlife conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. It seems to me that we have different goals. manageable harm Obdurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It seems your view is that if it's possible to achieve some amount of your goal without causing harm, you should do that, even if causing a small amount of harm would enable you much greater success in whatever it is you're after. It seems to me that we have different goals. manageable harm Obdurate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Well wait, what's your goal? Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Because one of my goals is maximize environmental conservation. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Maybe get over the idea that human actions are needed in order to conserve the environment. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, there are people out there who would destroy the environment if we just sat back and did nothing so.... Yeah gotta take action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rah@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) LOL, we've got to hurt animals by imprisoning them and charging tickets for people to ogle at them, because otherwise bad people will do bad things. I see. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) You're not very good at thinking beyond immediate consequences, are you? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rah@feddit.uk 1 point 2 years ago You have no idea what I'm good or not good at. Nor could you from this very limited exchange. You just want to find a reason to dismiss what I've said so that you can remain unchallenged in your bubble where you're saving the world and other people are the problem. permalink fedilink source parent