We got one, it's pretty much unkillable. We even used it to gather wood.

But is the Kangoo in the same price category as the EVs that spy on us? Is it even released at a time when major corporations spying on everyone is so normalized like it is today? I think both of these being no would explain why that car is so nice, simple, and reliable.

AFAIK every ICE car model has some cutoff year after which they have added spy tech. You do have to buy used to not be spied upon. Mozilla did a page on Renault here: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/renault/

I see a bunch of people freaking out over EVs, panicking about spying or being disabled remotely. But the newer ICE cars are, AFAICT, the same thing. I just want everyone worried about this 1984 shit to not be burying their heads in the sand. I'm worried about it also. We should organize against it. (I guess the person I responded to didn't think ICE cars are any better, after all. But it did seem so at first.)

Yeah, buy used for now, but I'd like to stop the practice entirely. Otherwise they can just wait it out as more and more old cars are totaled or unmaintainable.