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[–] NotAPenguin@kbin.social -3 points 3 years ago (2 children) go vegan permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Just not an option for most people, and not an appealing option for even more than that. You don't even need to go vegan to have a positive impact. Personally, I've been buying a lot more meat alternatives from Impossible, Beyond, Gardein, et al. Had to cut out red meat for heart health, but those alternatives quickly grew on me. The environmental and animal welfare benefits are just a bonus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* (2 children) This is a red herring. It's an option for everyone reading this comment, I guarantee it. You don't need fake meat to be a vegan, beans and rice are cheaper than meat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Technically, yes, and in a survival situation, sure. But when you can get whatever you want at a grocery store / restaurant, it's a much bigger hurdle for people to make that change. Realistically, people are going to eat what they like. I'd have never even bothered with the plant-based "meats" had the doctor not told me, flat out, "Unless you change your diet, you are going to die". Literally took those words before I was able to force myself to change my eating habits. Pushing cold-turkey veganism isn't really helping the cause here. Yes, that would be ideal, but it's letting perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago I literally became a vegan because vegans kept telling me to, it definitely does work. Almost every vegan started out eating meat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] evatronic@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The extra insulin I would have to take as a T1 diabetic to cover a carb-heavy diet would quickly outweigh any financial savings eating beans and rice would. There are dozens of us out there who have restrictive diets that, while veg* diets are technically possible, are not easy, financially sound, or realistic. I try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet, but I also recognize that protein is an outsized portion of my diet compared to most people. To accomplish that, animal products are important to me. Cheese, eggs, and even the occasional meat product are going to be things I eat, and not feel bad about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago You know, fair. In a humane world we'd find a way to support people like you, but right now I guess there are probably some people who really must feed on corpses to survive. I still say this is a red herring, because bloodmouths use you as a cover for their own unjustified blood letting. permalink fedilink source parent [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago Bloodmouths don't want to hear it. They need to pretend their corpse habit is sustainable and friendly because if any of them actually thought about the animals they're hurting they'd feel bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child) Just not an option for most people, and not an appealing option for even more than that. You don't even need to go vegan to have a positive impact. Personally, I've been buying a lot more meat alternatives from Impossible, Beyond, Gardein, et al. Had to cut out red meat for heart health, but those alternatives quickly grew on me. The environmental and animal welfare benefits are just a bonus. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* (2 children) This is a red herring. It's an option for everyone reading this comment, I guarantee it. You don't need fake meat to be a vegan, beans and rice are cheaper than meat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Technically, yes, and in a survival situation, sure. But when you can get whatever you want at a grocery store / restaurant, it's a much bigger hurdle for people to make that change. Realistically, people are going to eat what they like. I'd have never even bothered with the plant-based "meats" had the doctor not told me, flat out, "Unless you change your diet, you are going to die". Literally took those words before I was able to force myself to change my eating habits. Pushing cold-turkey veganism isn't really helping the cause here. Yes, that would be ideal, but it's letting perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago I literally became a vegan because vegans kept telling me to, it definitely does work. Almost every vegan started out eating meat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] evatronic@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The extra insulin I would have to take as a T1 diabetic to cover a carb-heavy diet would quickly outweigh any financial savings eating beans and rice would. There are dozens of us out there who have restrictive diets that, while veg* diets are technically possible, are not easy, financially sound, or realistic. I try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet, but I also recognize that protein is an outsized portion of my diet compared to most people. To accomplish that, animal products are important to me. Cheese, eggs, and even the occasional meat product are going to be things I eat, and not feel bad about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago You know, fair. In a humane world we'd find a way to support people like you, but right now I guess there are probably some people who really must feed on corpses to survive. I still say this is a red herring, because bloodmouths use you as a cover for their own unjustified blood letting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago* (2 children) This is a red herring. It's an option for everyone reading this comment, I guarantee it. You don't need fake meat to be a vegan, beans and rice are cheaper than meat. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Technically, yes, and in a survival situation, sure. But when you can get whatever you want at a grocery store / restaurant, it's a much bigger hurdle for people to make that change. Realistically, people are going to eat what they like. I'd have never even bothered with the plant-based "meats" had the doctor not told me, flat out, "Unless you change your diet, you are going to die". Literally took those words before I was able to force myself to change my eating habits. Pushing cold-turkey veganism isn't really helping the cause here. Yes, that would be ideal, but it's letting perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago I literally became a vegan because vegans kept telling me to, it definitely does work. Almost every vegan started out eating meat. permalink fedilink source parent [–] evatronic@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The extra insulin I would have to take as a T1 diabetic to cover a carb-heavy diet would quickly outweigh any financial savings eating beans and rice would. There are dozens of us out there who have restrictive diets that, while veg* diets are technically possible, are not easy, financially sound, or realistic. I try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet, but I also recognize that protein is an outsized portion of my diet compared to most people. To accomplish that, animal products are important to me. Cheese, eggs, and even the occasional meat product are going to be things I eat, and not feel bad about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago You know, fair. In a humane world we'd find a way to support people like you, but right now I guess there are probably some people who really must feed on corpses to survive. I still say this is a red herring, because bloodmouths use you as a cover for their own unjustified blood letting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ptz@dubvee.org 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) Technically, yes, and in a survival situation, sure. But when you can get whatever you want at a grocery store / restaurant, it's a much bigger hurdle for people to make that change. Realistically, people are going to eat what they like. I'd have never even bothered with the plant-based "meats" had the doctor not told me, flat out, "Unless you change your diet, you are going to die". Literally took those words before I was able to force myself to change my eating habits. Pushing cold-turkey veganism isn't really helping the cause here. Yes, that would be ideal, but it's letting perfect be the enemy of good. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago I literally became a vegan because vegans kept telling me to, it definitely does work. Almost every vegan started out eating meat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago I literally became a vegan because vegans kept telling me to, it definitely does work. Almost every vegan started out eating meat. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child) The extra insulin I would have to take as a T1 diabetic to cover a carb-heavy diet would quickly outweigh any financial savings eating beans and rice would. There are dozens of us out there who have restrictive diets that, while veg* diets are technically possible, are not easy, financially sound, or realistic. I try to stick to a primarily vegetarian diet, but I also recognize that protein is an outsized portion of my diet compared to most people. To accomplish that, animal products are important to me. Cheese, eggs, and even the occasional meat product are going to be things I eat, and not feel bad about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago You know, fair. In a humane world we'd find a way to support people like you, but right now I guess there are probably some people who really must feed on corpses to survive. I still say this is a red herring, because bloodmouths use you as a cover for their own unjustified blood letting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago You know, fair. In a humane world we'd find a way to support people like you, but right now I guess there are probably some people who really must feed on corpses to survive. I still say this is a red herring, because bloodmouths use you as a cover for their own unjustified blood letting. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -3 points 3 years ago Bloodmouths don't want to hear it. They need to pretend their corpse habit is sustainable and friendly because if any of them actually thought about the animals they're hurting they'd feel bad. permalink fedilink source parent