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Biden really, really doesn’t want China to flood the US with cheap EVs (www.theverge.com)
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[–] 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Make them in Mexico. Less reliance on one country is better for everyone.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    They’re trying to block mexican made Chinese vehicles as well. They don’t want Americans buying cheap evs.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, they don't want the profits getting funneled off to China.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Thats great for GM and Ford shareholders. It just means Americans can’t afford cars.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sure. And - ya know - not funneling money into a totalitarian regime.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's not so much about where it goes, more so the fact that it doesn't stay in America. This is about saving the American auto industry. Whether it's for the jobs that would be lost or the profits of the shareholders.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's a bingo.

    The idea that "they" don't want the American public driving EVs is ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    You misunderstand. This is protectionism plain and simple. US car companies are horribly inefficient. Better yet, the US car cartel eliminated most of their budget models to push trucks and SUVs that are more expensive. It doesn’t take much to undercut them, so the US government is banning the competition.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    So what about Tesla, Kia, Hyundai, Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, and all the rest? You say we can't afford cars yet 15 million new cars are sold every year here. New cars have never been something that just anyone can buy which is why the used market is so much larger.

    Selling Chinese EVs here below cost isn't going to improve anything. It's just going to put a bunch of competitors out of business and drive wages even further down.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The cost of cars has not scaled with incomes. EVs are also much cheaper to manufacture yet because of lack of competition they only sell luxury cars. Nissan admittedly tried but I think that was just too early to market with a mediocre product.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    The added price is likely partially due to the development costs for these companies retooling their factories and doing R&D to develop these new platforms in a company that has been building ICE vehicles for the past 50-100 years. Luxury vehicles bring a markup that helps to offset these costs until these vehicles become more ubiquitous, parts are easier to source, and prices come down. You can't compare the cost of a brand new design to something like the Camry which had the general design ironed out 40+ years ago.

    If you look at sales numbers, the Model 3 is outselling the cheap alternatives like the Leaf and Bolt 20:1, so it seems like many people are willingly choosing to pay more rather than buy the econobox option. The average sale price for a (any) new vehicle is around $50k currently, and there are a multitude of options in that price range.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is all true. I just genuinely believe more EVs to market would be good for the consumer over the coming years.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I agree, but I think we'll have to wait for the technology to mature a bit. It seems the battery chemistry and design are what's stalling things but lots of companies are investing in new tech like solid state batteries.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Make them in USA.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This makes the most sense. Sell them here. Built elsewhere? Tax the shit out of them. You can avoid the tax by creating American jobs and having them manufactured here.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's what the chicken tax is/was. This is just a tax on EVs made by Chinese companies. It's pretty ridiculous.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, why not? They aren't prohibited, they're just being given a disadvantage compared to American made vehicles being sold in America. A tax for notoriously poor labor standards, we can call it. If they want to use a union shop somewhere in middle America they can avoid that tax altogether.

    If I misunderstood you please correct me.

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