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Weapons manufacturers are terrorist organizations (lemmy.ml)
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[–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Defense of Ukraine is a great example of how weapons can be used for good. But definitely not all that these companies do, as Gaza shows.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (5 children)

    "Defense" is when you aid the overthrow of a government to replace it with a fascist one that kills eastern Ukrainians like in Donbass, DPR, LPR, and Crimea

    Then they wonder why Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    It's defense because the US military industrial complex is "defending" its profit margins by creating instability far enough away that it won't affect them, but that they can profit off of

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Crimeans overwhelming support Russia against the post-2014 fascist coup gov in Ukraine

    People in Donbass too as you'd expect. They welcomed the Russian army as liberators in 2022 from the current fascist Ukraine gov

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  • [+] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)
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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    The neo-nazi one that attacked the trade union building and Eastern Ukrainians for resisting, yeah

    Looking up the 2010 elections should give you an idea of what the division in Ukraine is like

    I remember back in 2014 when even Redditors could tell the solution was to have Eastern Ukraine be a separate state so the coup gov wouldn't be killing them for resisting. That's what the people in the DPR and LPR were trying to do and were being bombed by the fascist state for it. At least Crimeans are free from it now ig.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Defence is when you defend your country against an invader.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Correct, and I strongly support our Ukrainian comrades in the DPR and LPR in their resistance against the fascist coup government.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago

    I was more thinking when Russia invaded and tried to encircle Kyiv and whatnot. But yeah, when you fight against an attacker, it's defence. It's a general term rather than a value position.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Yeah, the famous fascists that are actively working hard to join the EU, which we've seen so clearly the past decade just loves having fascist states in its ranks. You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

    Notice how there was actually a change of power in that election - a known hallmark of fascist states.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    They outlawed starting a conversation in Russian. It was criminal for a business not first say something in Ukrainian. Like, imagine if Arizona tried to pass a law that criminalized conducting business in Spanish.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You know, the fascist government that had an actual election as late as 2019 where southern and eastern regions largely voted for the person that won.

    It’s too bad that actor who used to play president on TV and had zero actual political experience got steamrolled by the fascists once he got in office.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Wow, I Wonder why everyone that's left in the regime that deports and persecutes dissenters says they are in support of that regime?

    Ukraine never invaded anybody. Giving them weapons so they can throw out the people invading them, taking their land and molesting their people is a good thing. Russia has clearly shown that the only way to get rid of the plague that is Russian soldiers on foreign soil is to kill them. That's why we have this war that Russia has chosen to engage in, and which Russia can choose to withdraw from at any time. That's why Russians are dying by the hundreds of thousands.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Sopuli.xyz user detected, opinion rejected

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Out of honest curiosity: Whats wrong with sopuli.xyz? I literally just picked a random instance when I joined Lemmy, and have never heard anything special about this instance.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Maybe because it's the instance that hosts the largest pro fascist-coup gov community. Everything I've seen from it at least seems to enforce that stereotype

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Russian invasion has been a goddamn goldmine to weapon manufacturers. Not only those selling to Ukraine but also got a lot of European countries to re-arm and restart domestic production.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yup, who would have though that Russia invading their neighbour suddenly caused the entirety of western Europe to start the largest investments in military and weapons manufacturing since the cold war?

    Looking at the results of this war so far (major expansion of NATO in the North, massively increased military spending in all of NATO, massively increased size of the Ukrainian military), you would almost think Putins goal was something completely different than preventing NATO expansion and "de-militarizing" Ukraine.

    It's almost like the best way of preventing your neighbours from building huge militaries and joining alliances is by cooperating with them and helping them feel safe, rather than threatening, coercing and bombing them.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It is pretty funny how for us Finns, Putin managed with one move to do what decades of pro-NATO propaganda couldn't and push us to join.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lol at the people downvoting this like that isn't exactly what happened: NATO had wanted Finland to join for years, but they didn't want to join, for fear of provoking Russia. Putin shows the world that appeasement doesn't work, and Finland joins in a heartbeat.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    It's sad, but countries like Russia show us very clearly why nations that want peace need to prepare for war.

    I would love to not need to spend a cent on our military, or weapons manufacturing, but the hard reality is very clearly that if we aren't capable of mass producing weapons, we'll likely be invaded and killed.

    That's a major part of the issue Europe is facing now: We've scaled down weapons production since the 90's, and now that we suddenly need millions of artillery shells it takes time to rebuild production capacity.

    Hopefully Russia gets the picture soon, that we'll keep scaling up until every Russian invader is gone, and we can go back to not spending money on war...

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Jesus the answers to this are unhinged. Didn't realize this space was quite that far up Putler's ugly ass.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Induced demand -- the production of weapons necessitates the use of weapons in order to keep shares from crashing. Like a shoe factory regularly changing the design and fashion to keep from flooding the market, blood is spilled to keep the 401Ks safe.

    Welcome to the Second Cold War, you've been here along.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe Russia shouldn't induce demand then.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Amazing, a century latter the blame is still squarely placed on Russia. Those people must not be capable of self-determination, am I right my good Cold Warrior? Good thing we had this stockpile of depleted uranium, by jingo! So what if it leaches into the groundwater? Canadian mining firms have been poisoning Ukrainian groundwater for decades now! What's a little rare-earth-elements between allies, amiright?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe Putler should stop attacking and invading free countries? I am sure the blame would lessen. Also, less raping in the invaded territories would go a long way, I guess.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago

    Yeah yeah, you see the individual and not the historical pattern.

    Isn't it funny that the US keeps doing this? The presidents are incidental, flitting in and out of office with the whim of the public. But the conflicts? Those last. Nuclear rockets parked in Yugoslavia one century, flooding Ukraine with weapons the next. You know children in Vietnam are, to this day, born with napalm induced complications?

    Doesn't this all ring a little too familiar to you? Do you think maybe our grandparents had cute little nicknames for Khrushchev, comparing him to Hitler, when they were our age?

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  • [+] [S] -35 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Ukraine is ruled by a far right government along with Nazis

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Ever since Ukraine's February revolution, the Kremlin has characterised the new leaders in Kiev as a "fascist junta" made up of neo-Nazis and anti-Semites, set on persecuting, if not eradicating, the Russian-speaking population.

    This is demonstrably false. Far-right parties failed to pass a 5% barrier to enter parliament, although if they had banded together, and not split their vote, they would have probably slipped past the threshold.

    Lol your own sources are telling you that you talk BS

    Edit: found another one lol

    The odious Russian media tried to paint Ukraine as a land of Nazis, though that is patently wrong. Ukraine has a thriving Jewish community, and its far-right is still on the fringe. It’s the same in America.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    The fascist issue is not a biggest concern than in Germany, US, France, and certainly not than in Russia. Of course every fascist must be fought, but it's easy to denounce far-right in other countries. In the hearth of capitalism, a consistent anti-imperialist position shall fight the imperialism state. I'm not fan of the dude, but that pretty basics leninism

    About "nazi" that came to the west, it's true, but your examples are very bad. Yea every male in germany during the 3rd Reich have to join the army. Of could they could desert, and having their family and their own life threaten, but that's not make them nazi. None of them were in the nazi party or one of its organisation (like the SS). Adolf Heusinger may be another case, being a general is not the same responsibility and agentivity This a bad job because there is a lot of example of fascists kept at position of power in many countries, including the occupied germany and the french vichists. This lead to fascists laws and institutions being kept in those countries (some brigades dedicated to kill resistance converted in "anticriminal brigade" for example), and being used against decolonization.

    TL;DR you could demonstrate nazification of western countries, but in repeating russia propaganda, you fail to do so.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Reporter: [REDACTED]
    Reason: Russian bot

    Another day, another BlueAnon conspiracy theorist.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Bro the nazi shit in Ukraine has been proven untrue s very long time ago

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    I, for one, am shocked, shocked that defenders of Russia are still using the same easily disproven lies to justify invading, occupying, and murdering a neighboring country.

    It's not like Russia has a history of lying about its military operations in Ukraine or anything, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    M8, russkiland tells all of us "ukraine nazi:C" because they fought and freed themself from a form of russian occupation. The moron who was kicked out in 2014 by the ukrainian people recieved a lot of money from russia to be their puppet state, like belarus is right now, but the people didn't like to be such a country and fought for their freedom. That's why vatnikstan invaded crimea and the donbas to keep their little puppet at their side, that's why they kill and torture those who are innocent and just want to live in peace.

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