▲ 1351 ▼ Exclusive: Bernie Sanders worries young people are underestimating the threat from Trump (www.usatoday.com) submitted 2 years ago by fukhueson@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 615 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (3 children) They also seem to fervently believe: Stop participating in 2 party system ??? Get ranked choice system Any time you ask for details on step 2, you get an unhinged rant with zero plausibility. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) My best guess, if they actually believe there's a path to a ranked choice system and aren't just being doomers, is that they think a bloody rebellion will do the trick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Yeah, there's a lot of tankies that pretend they are progressives so they don't get laughed at outright. They'll take their masks off 10-20 comments down the thread where few people actually see. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saurok@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tend to find that the people who believe in participating in the 2 party system also do these same steps. Why would either party do away with FPTP? Neither one has any incentive to do it. At least third parties often have it listed as part of their platform and have incentive to do it because they can't easily get elected within the current system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago The way it will happen is grassroots local compaigns. Those don't have as much need for FPTP and are more likely to be politicians who care. Eventually you build up enough to change things locally, then change state laws. That might be enough there, but it can potentially be pushed further and go for a national campaign once you have enough momentum. It won't change by the president or congress right off the bat. That's not how this sort of thing happens. I wish it were. It'd be a lot faster and simpler, but it just won't work. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Your part 3 and part 1 are the same. This is the ??? part you left out: Start RCV campaign Recruit people Collect signatures, pressure local governments, get initiative on the ballot Campaign, campaign, campaign Vote Hope that the public doesn't let the leopards eat their face because the ruling class is very wealthy and will campaign against you HARD If you lose, try again, and keep trying You don't just stop voting because FPTP is rigged and wildly corrupt. You fight with every weapon at your disposal, even the ones rigged against you. This is how Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii did it. This is how everyone else needs to do it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) My best guess, if they actually believe there's a path to a ranked choice system and aren't just being doomers, is that they think a bloody rebellion will do the trick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Yeah, there's a lot of tankies that pretend they are progressives so they don't get laughed at outright. They'll take their masks off 10-20 comments down the thread where few people actually see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago Yeah, there's a lot of tankies that pretend they are progressives so they don't get laughed at outright. They'll take their masks off 10-20 comments down the thread where few people actually see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Saurok@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I tend to find that the people who believe in participating in the 2 party system also do these same steps. Why would either party do away with FPTP? Neither one has any incentive to do it. At least third parties often have it listed as part of their platform and have incentive to do it because they can't easily get elected within the current system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago The way it will happen is grassroots local compaigns. Those don't have as much need for FPTP and are more likely to be politicians who care. Eventually you build up enough to change things locally, then change state laws. That might be enough there, but it can potentially be pushed further and go for a national campaign once you have enough momentum. It won't change by the president or congress right off the bat. That's not how this sort of thing happens. I wish it were. It'd be a lot faster and simpler, but it just won't work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago The way it will happen is grassroots local compaigns. Those don't have as much need for FPTP and are more likely to be politicians who care. Eventually you build up enough to change things locally, then change state laws. That might be enough there, but it can potentially be pushed further and go for a national campaign once you have enough momentum. It won't change by the president or congress right off the bat. That's not how this sort of thing happens. I wish it were. It'd be a lot faster and simpler, but it just won't work. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* Your part 3 and part 1 are the same. This is the ??? part you left out: Start RCV campaign Recruit people Collect signatures, pressure local governments, get initiative on the ballot Campaign, campaign, campaign Vote Hope that the public doesn't let the leopards eat their face because the ruling class is very wealthy and will campaign against you HARD If you lose, try again, and keep trying You don't just stop voting because FPTP is rigged and wildly corrupt. You fight with every weapon at your disposal, even the ones rigged against you. This is how Maine, Alaska, and Hawaii did it. This is how everyone else needs to do it. permalink fedilink source parent