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Tesla’s Autopilot and Full Self-Driving linked to hundreds of crashes, dozens of deaths (www.theverge.com)
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[–] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

CGP Grey also seems to believe self driving cars with the absence of traffic lights is the solution to traffic as opposed to something like trains.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    /c/fuckcars is that way, thanks for stopping by

    Cars will never be dethroned. Yes, trains are cool - choo choo motherfucker. Yes, bikes are environmentally friendly. Yes, the car is a truly fucking horible answer to the question "how to get from A to B".

    But that's because cars are the answer to the question "how to get from A to B comfortably". I don't want my baby and my in-law to get on the back of my bike when we're going camping. I don't want to take the train and then walk 2 miles from the station every single fucking day with 20kg of tools in my hand, because shit, the train doesn't stop next to my house, and it doesn't stop next to my work. I want to be able to have acces to comfortable transportation.

    So the answer will still be the car. Even with everyone crying about it. Cause the cat's out of the bag with cars, we made them efficient and cheap enough to not be considered luxury items anymore. And some countries (see: US) have their entire infrastructure built with cars in mind. You're never putting the lid back on this, even if it's a decent idea.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    The solution to broken infrastructure isn't to double down. Nobody wants your baby and in-law on the back of your bike or for you to walk 2 miles per day, that isn't the criticism of cars. The criticism is that cars are more expensive and more dangerous than public transportation solutions, period.

    Ideally, we develop towards a both/and solution in the future. We have cars, bus systems, and bike infrastructure which can do last-mile transportation, then we have high-speed rail between major cities. This reduces upkeep cost and makes travel safer for everyone.

    This also isn't saying to rip everything up to implement this system, but we already have crumbling infrastructure in the US due to lack of federal and state funding which will need to be replaced. As we expand and maintain our infrastructure, we can start to implement better, safer ideas for transportation, rather than doubling down on what is convenient yet unsustainable.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    To kind of piggyback off this, some newer cities in the US do get built with curbing cars in mind. But there's definitely no easy fix for our systemic problem with infrastructure, and even if there was, cars are so deeply engraved in Americana that people here would fight it. It's an uphill battle, and self driving cars can help mitigate existing issues while we figure the rest out.

    In smaller and mid size cities where I live, buses are the pretty decent form of public transportation, and I could absolutely see self driving sneak its way into there.

    I get that conditions aren't ideal and that sucks, but progress comes in baby steps, and as long as the larger problems remain out of reach, these smaller ones help.

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