▲ 77 ▼ Biden signs TikTok “ban” bill into law, starting the clock for ByteDance to divest it (www.theverge.com) submitted 2 years ago by remington@beehaw.org [M] to c/technology@beehaw.org 33 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 16 points 2 years ago (3 children) Thanks AIPAC, for protecting Americans from foreign misinformation campaigns. permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] stembolts@programming.dev 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) They outlawed Fox News? Don't pretend this is about disinformation. Fox News is disinformation peddler numero uno. This is about the seizure of media outlets that don't parrot pro-capitalist propaganda. But it's too late, the majority of each generation millennial and later is anti-capitalist. The critique media will simply change form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, only boomers watch Fox News, young people watch TikTok making it a way more potent weapon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago And the weapon is ideas? If a society has to shield itself from ideas to prevent revolt, then perhaps that society has bigger problems. Patching the hole as a united bipartisan front, when the ONLY things that receives united bipartisan support is corporate interests, kinda gives their hand away. They're doing this as a desperation move to prevent societal erosion and more importantly, loss of power in media. I think it's too late. Seems like an upheaval, electorally or otherwise, is at hand and this is a desperation move. I don't expect the patching to prevent the rain, but who knows. My interpretation, open to being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Fox News isn't rallying people to support Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? And there are certainly also people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and even Lemmy rallying to support Palestine. And that's what you tried to avoid with your "argument" in the first place, that many us companies are far worse in spreading misinformation. How does your one very specific point prove anything? And why focus on this one at all? Meanwhile fox news especially has been rallying against all kinds of minorities since forever in the US. You have very weak arguments here, maybe you just want to have tiktok banned? But then just say so outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? Yes, among other things they're also explicitly suppressing pro-Isreal content https://lemmy.world/post/14643617 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago No misinformation is needed for that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) So they banned facebook and twitter too? 'Cause... https://www.wired.com/story/russian-facebook-ads-targeted-us-voters-before-2016-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/03/06/pro-trump-twitter-bot-campaign-already-spreading-propaganda-about-gop-rivals-report-says/?sh=c3f5e6bfe701 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, Facebook and Twitter are still useful for the status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago Ah, I missed the sarcasm in the original comment. Carry in permalink fedilink source parent [–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago* Oh please. The anti-TikTok hysteria has been going on much longer than the Israeli invasion of Gaza, and the narrative has largely been about national security concerns, particularly as they relate to election misinformation. Agree or not with the anti-China rhetoric about TikTok, but at least argue about the facts and not inane conspiracy theories. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stembolts@programming.dev 25 points 2 years ago* (2 children) They outlawed Fox News? Don't pretend this is about disinformation. Fox News is disinformation peddler numero uno. This is about the seizure of media outlets that don't parrot pro-capitalist propaganda. But it's too late, the majority of each generation millennial and later is anti-capitalist. The critique media will simply change form. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, only boomers watch Fox News, young people watch TikTok making it a way more potent weapon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago And the weapon is ideas? If a society has to shield itself from ideas to prevent revolt, then perhaps that society has bigger problems. Patching the hole as a united bipartisan front, when the ONLY things that receives united bipartisan support is corporate interests, kinda gives their hand away. They're doing this as a desperation move to prevent societal erosion and more importantly, loss of power in media. I think it's too late. Seems like an upheaval, electorally or otherwise, is at hand and this is a desperation move. I don't expect the patching to prevent the rain, but who knows. My interpretation, open to being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent [–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Fox News isn't rallying people to support Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? And there are certainly also people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and even Lemmy rallying to support Palestine. And that's what you tried to avoid with your "argument" in the first place, that many us companies are far worse in spreading misinformation. How does your one very specific point prove anything? And why focus on this one at all? Meanwhile fox news especially has been rallying against all kinds of minorities since forever in the US. You have very weak arguments here, maybe you just want to have tiktok banned? But then just say so outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? Yes, among other things they're also explicitly suppressing pro-Isreal content https://lemmy.world/post/14643617 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago No misinformation is needed for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Scrof@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, only boomers watch Fox News, young people watch TikTok making it a way more potent weapon. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago And the weapon is ideas? If a society has to shield itself from ideas to prevent revolt, then perhaps that society has bigger problems. Patching the hole as a united bipartisan front, when the ONLY things that receives united bipartisan support is corporate interests, kinda gives their hand away. They're doing this as a desperation move to prevent societal erosion and more importantly, loss of power in media. I think it's too late. Seems like an upheaval, electorally or otherwise, is at hand and this is a desperation move. I don't expect the patching to prevent the rain, but who knows. My interpretation, open to being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] stembolts@programming.dev 12 points 2 years ago And the weapon is ideas? If a society has to shield itself from ideas to prevent revolt, then perhaps that society has bigger problems. Patching the hole as a united bipartisan front, when the ONLY things that receives united bipartisan support is corporate interests, kinda gives their hand away. They're doing this as a desperation move to prevent societal erosion and more importantly, loss of power in media. I think it's too late. Seems like an upheaval, electorally or otherwise, is at hand and this is a desperation move. I don't expect the patching to prevent the rain, but who knows. My interpretation, open to being wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Fox News isn't rallying people to support Palestine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? And there are certainly also people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and even Lemmy rallying to support Palestine. And that's what you tried to avoid with your "argument" in the first place, that many us companies are far worse in spreading misinformation. How does your one very specific point prove anything? And why focus on this one at all? Meanwhile fox news especially has been rallying against all kinds of minorities since forever in the US. You have very weak arguments here, maybe you just want to have tiktok banned? But then just say so outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? Yes, among other things they're also explicitly suppressing pro-Isreal content https://lemmy.world/post/14643617 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago No misinformation is needed for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? And there are certainly also people on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit and even Lemmy rallying to support Palestine. And that's what you tried to avoid with your "argument" in the first place, that many us companies are far worse in spreading misinformation. How does your one very specific point prove anything? And why focus on this one at all? Meanwhile fox news especially has been rallying against all kinds of minorities since forever in the US. You have very weak arguments here, maybe you just want to have tiktok banned? But then just say so outright. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? Yes, among other things they're also explicitly suppressing pro-Isreal content https://lemmy.world/post/14643617 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) But tiktok the company is? Yes, among other things they're also explicitly suppressing pro-Isreal content https://lemmy.world/post/14643617 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] The_Sasswagon@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago If I'm reading that right, that could also say that Instagram is suppressing anti-israel content? It's just saying that in comparison to Instagram tiktok is showing more x, y, z. But Instagram is absolutely not a neutral point to measure from. For starters there's different demographics on each one, but I'm sure you could adjust for that, maybe the study did. But I don't think you can adjust for the impact the US government has on Meta. I don't believe for an instant that some US agency isn't manipulating algorithms or requiring certain tweaks to steer discourse just like they did with US news outlets. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BennyHill@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago No misinformation is needed for that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 17 points 2 years ago (1 child) So they banned facebook and twitter too? 'Cause... https://www.wired.com/story/russian-facebook-ads-targeted-us-voters-before-2016-election/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/03/06/pro-trump-twitter-bot-campaign-already-spreading-propaganda-about-gop-rivals-report-says/?sh=c3f5e6bfe701 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, Facebook and Twitter are still useful for the status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago Ah, I missed the sarcasm in the original comment. Carry in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] UNIX84@beehaw.org 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) No, Facebook and Twitter are still useful for the status quo. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago Ah, I missed the sarcasm in the original comment. Carry in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 2 years ago Ah, I missed the sarcasm in the original comment. Carry in permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zaphod@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 years ago* Oh please. The anti-TikTok hysteria has been going on much longer than the Israeli invasion of Gaza, and the narrative has largely been about national security concerns, particularly as they relate to election misinformation. Agree or not with the anti-China rhetoric about TikTok, but at least argue about the facts and not inane conspiracy theories. permalink fedilink source parent