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Gentoo bans AI-created contributions (lwn.net)
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[–] 65 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Górny took issue with everything from the energy consumption driven by AI

This has to be a joke. The team behind a distro that compiles everything from scratch all the time is concerned about wasting power now? The only distro for which I ever setup a compile cluster?

Give me a break. This is the new luddite movement.

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  • [–] 67 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Gotta say your comment makes an insightful impression, however Gentoo compilations are peanuts compared to the massive energy sucking hype that A.I. is. I am glad that people speak out publicly against this insane madness. A.I. hyping during climate crisis ? Overwhelming sales of SUVs Plans to move to planet Mars Who would have guessed that years ago ?

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Gentoo compilations are peanuts compared to the massive energy sucking hype that A.I. is.

    Their overall impact is low because they're niche. It wouldn't be if Gentoo were more popular. Imagine all of the AWS EC2 instances running Gentoo. And all of the Docker container builds still compiling glibc over and over.

    Fact is they still built a horrifically inefficient system for deploying software. It's a crazy hypocritical stance to take. AI at least provides benefit - something that can't be said of Gentoo's waste.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When you have multiple Gentoo machines, you compile soft once and distribute it. You would be mad to compile everything every time.

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  • [+] -30 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Swing and a miss.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You really went looking for something to hate on there didn't you. That is the only sentence in the whole article that even mentions power consumption, all the other arguments both fit and against are for a variety of other topics.

    It seems to be that you are more likely caught up in some kind of movement if one argument from one person is enough for you to label everyone there luddites

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  • [+] -29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You really went looking for something to hate on there didn’t you. That is the only sentence in the whole article that even mentions power consumption, all the other arguments both fit and against are for a variety of other topics.

    The rest of the ridiculous moralizing was pretty bad as well. This was just the most egregiously stupid thing listed in the article.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I thought your comment was more ridiculous

    1 person making a query has thousands of hours of computing behind it

    1 person compiling software themselves does not

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm not saying AI is not energy intensive. I'm saying the team who developed the least efficient Linux distribution throwing shade about AI being "energy inefficient" are hypocrites.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But again it wasn't the team, and it wasn't " throwing shade" it was one guy, who listed it as one reason against AI. Power consumption is also a valid reason against using gentoo. People are able, and indeed should be aware of potential problems and downside of things, even if they are involved in other things which also has those issues. I am sure most of the gentoo team would readily acknowledge that energy consumption is a downside of gentoo compared to other distros.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    If being a luddite means keeping man in the loop so be it.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    The original Luddite movement was literally a worker's rights movement, and the "irrationally afraid of technology" characterization was manufactured by the ruling class, so yes. The Luddites were right then and they're right now too.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    As someone who regularly saves time by automating, I can’t get on board for a movement which directly opposes process improvement by improving efficiency.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They're not, they're opposing a process that leads to garbage output and horrible systemic efficiency.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Luddites objected primarily to the rising popularity of automated textile equipment, threatening the jobs and livelihoods of skilled workers as this technology allowed them to be replaced by cheaper and less skilled workers.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

    I’ve also read a book on the subject of Luddites and it was clear to me that it was a response to higher efficiency machinery replacing the need for a good portion of their jobs.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago*

    This led to mass starvation as the workers no longer could feed themselves and no industry replaced the lost work. The textiles produced were of lower quality too, and sold for less which harmed the local economy leading to a rise in food prices along with the lower wages. Since the vast majority of arable land was used for cotton too no local food could lower the prices. Many people died as the luddites predicted.

    There was mass starvation

    They were right. This is not "anti-automation" this is against lower wages, mass unemployment, and an economic decrease. The automation was the cause of this, yes, but the concept of automation was not the issue. The issue was it's use here.

    If the workers were provided an alternative job, if there was some plan to avoid starvation, and if the textiles were of a reasonable quality then there would be no issue.

    History proved the luddites correct

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But the lump of labour fallacy is wrong - in the end automation makes us all wealthier as goods become cheaper, and people can do more productive work (and be better educated for it too).

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To a certain extent other distros rely on more obscure distros like gentoo which uses package compilation as the default. If upstream are not publishing code which can be reproducibly built then the gentoo maintainers are the first to know and can raise an issue.

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  • [+] -16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Cool story.

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  • [+] -25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This is the new luddite movement.

    It really is. Degrowth is destitution and death - just look at Germany.

    We need to decouple electricity production from environmental damage - build renewable power and nuclear power station en masse and invest heavily in nuclear fusion.

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