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How do people with aphantasia play chess? (lemmy.world)
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[โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Buddy you're coping so hard. You said you saw a reliable source debunk aphantasia, and now you've been caught in your lie and you're trying to weasel your way out. Some of these papers also have pools of various phantasiacs in the hundreds to thousands. A few of the sources clearly state (and give a source for) tens of thousands of people having been diagnosed with aphantasia.

Where is this "debunking" you said you saw? Is your angle now just "scientists are wrong and bad and having actual evidence on different levels of mental visual imagery is fake news, even though I am saying it's wrong with no knowledge of neuroscience or psychology at all"?

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Many people are diagnosed with "ADHD" too idiot, it's just a sleep disruption disorder. I'm talking about meta analysis of studies on people with aphantasia, because studies are all like the crap you just posted. People don't just slurp up every study they can find on Google you fucking idiot.. Did you think I meant "Mythbusters" style takedown? I bet you want a youtube video. You could cure your "aphantasia" by reading books before bed instead of using the computer, but you won't. That's what I mean psychology is such a clown shoes "science". You'd rather stay up late reading this shit than actually try to improve your health. It's a disease a lot like ADHD.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Ah so now you're just going on a tangent in a desperate attempt to drive the conversation away from where you've been established to be wrong according to an ocean of credible researchers on the subject.

    Many people are diagnosed with "ADHD" too idiot, it's just a sleep disruption disorder.

    Oh my God this cannot be real. Now you can find a thousand papers with a sample size you'll like which very much establish your view as idiotic. But let me guess, the scientists are wrong and you're right despite not being a medical researcher or even a medical professional at all? What authority do you think you have on this?

    The fact is that the burden of proof is on you considering you're arguing against established psychology/neuroscience research in the field that has had qualified researchers agreeing to the existence of. You can not just pull "science is wrong" out of your ass.

    You are a bad liar. You have no evidence to your claims and the entire argument you make is "just trust me bro, even if the scientific community disagrees with me and I can't find a source for my incorrect claims I still totally am right".

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're grandstanding, but I'm just trying to get through what I mean to you. There's no point in deliberately misinterpreting it lol.

    An ocean of "credible researchers" gave us "adhd" a disorder where kids who don't sleep enough get treated with amphetamines, yes. It's not a tangent, it's a direct comparison to a huge scandal taking place in psychology psychiatry and neuroscience. They have no responsibility to isolate whatever they study from environmental causes. So they just end up looking for genetic associations where there are none. Don't sleep enough, it gets harder to FOCUS, not only on schoolwork, but your imagination itself. Are you starting to "get the picture"? ๐Ÿ˜

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    There is no way you're actually being real at this point. Do you have any qualifications in medical research (if so state the qualifications), and have you ever written a paper studying neuroscience or even had higher education on the matter? Do you think you are more credible on the matter than ADHD&Autism experts and specialists in mental imagery? Don't flood your comment with other bullshit noise, just answer those two questions.

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  • [โ€“] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You don't have any of those things either, you just blindly trust in whatever is coming out of psychology journals. That's the opposite of what someone performing a critical meta-analysis of "aphantasia" or "adhd" or autism studies would do.

    You're clearly not a very logical person, I was referencing the existence of this kind of data you presented me with from the very start. ADHD has also been pretty thoroughly debunked

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    You don't have any of those things either

    But clearly the many, many researchers on the subject do and they pretty much all blatantly accept that aphantasia is very real. This is the consensus between pretty much all of the modern research on the subject.

    you just blindly trust in whatever is coming out of psychology journals.

    Brother I have linked you multiple studies, one with a sample size in the thousands.

    That's the opposite of what someone performing a critical meta-analysis of "aphantasia" or "adhd" or autism studies would do.

    I linked multiple meta-analyses and the researchers all have multiple papers where they affirm the existence of aphantasia. Neither of us are qualified to say the scientific community is wrong on science.

    You're clearly not a very logical person,

    I am the only one with real data. You are just saying "that data isn't good enough!" while having no data of your own.

    ADHD has also been pretty thoroughly debunked

    Lmao complete bullshit. "It's been debunked!!!" yet you can provide zero actual evidence. Here's an analysis of ADHD research, another one, here's one on the effectiveness of treating ADHD, here's another one. Tell a neuroscience researcher "ADHD doesn't exist" and you'll be laughed at, much of the data is extremely high quality with large sample sizes (there's even research with tens of thousands of participants).

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's funny thinking about you hopping mad screaming SIRI SEARCH GOOGLE FOR ADHD STUDIES, yeah like I said dude, people believed histrionic personality disorder was real but it turns out it was environmental, behavioral, cultural especially. Before it was women who couldn't meet expectations.

    Aphantasia is a level lower, perfect for our hyper-individualistic age, it has no consequences at all for people, other than annoyingly inserting into conversation that they can't visualize things but can still imagine them. Or at least sometimes, like you talked about your memories being fuzzier than you want.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    "I have evidence that ADHD doesn't exist, it's been debunked."

    Proceeds to have no evidence that ADHD doesn't exist, while staring at the thousands of available studies on the matter that establish that it does exist

    You are a joke. You have no evidence at all despite claiming you do. You also have no evidence that ADHD and aphantasia are caused by having unhealthy habits, so you're going against your own logic here by claiming that like it's fact. The burden of proof is on you buddy, ADHD is considered real science by almost all credible researchers and has considerable evidence saying it exists. Where's your evidence it doesn't exist? Where is your meta-analysis that says these are wrong or poor?

    All you do in this thread is pretend you have anything substantial backing your claims, and then just evade when you're confronted and told to provide this "evidence". I have provided many sources from world-renown experts on the field, I'm done with your "well scientific research isn't real so I'll ignore it" bs.

    Prove that aphantasia and ADHD are caused by an unhealthy lifestyle rather than ADHD tending to cause an unhealthy lifestyle, and then we'll talk. I don't even know where you got "ADHD is a sleep disorder" from because, while comorbidities of sleep onset insomnia and other forms of insomnia are common in ADHD (just as they are in other disorders), a large chunk of people with ADHD don't experience abnormal sleep.

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Lol really you can't find any evidence that ADHD is cleared up by healthy eating and exercise when it's one of the number one techniques used by clinicians other than medication? You are just a google bot

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Yeah what you said is what people say when they get caught in their bullshit. "The evidence is totally out there bro you can totally find it".

    You have no proof about your fringe claims about ADHD and aphantasia, and what apparently causes them. You cannot prove anything so now you're cowering behind "it's totally real" when you have nothing. You haven't even stated a single source, despite claiming you have so many sources.

    Where is your research? Where is your source? You're an internet loser talking out of his ass trying to discredit the entirety of modern neurology research.

    People with ADHD see an improvement in their life when incorporating excercise and healthier eating, as all people do, and they generally reduce stress caused by symptoms, but there are plenty of healthy people and MANY athletes who have ADHD (and aphantasia) as well and who still are often treated for it too, before, during, and after their careers. According to the MLB's published data surrounding mental disorders in the sport, the rate of ADHD in professional athletes is likely to be even higher than in the general population. The BJSM has similar findings on athletes, the research being by many psychiatry & medical experts.

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You're so eager to use psychology as a mood ring you're out here defending HISTRIONIC PERSONALITY DISORDER ๐Ÿ˜‚

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You literally asked for rates of diagnosis and I provided them. If you want to argue to neuroscience/psychiatry professionals that they're wrong then go ahead, but so far your stance is just "I know better than science".

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    you posted an ai-written blog post from a recovery clinic and called it "literally every study" hahahahahahahahaha

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Buddy you're crazy. You're typing like you're having a psychotic episode now. You think this is AI generated? Do you have some sort of superior research that gives zero/near-zero diagnosis rates, o nutjob?

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  • [โ€“] -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    No the recovery clinic website you posted is obviously Chatgpt generated cobbled together from different sources like you mentioned. Shows how frantic you are to use any source you can find. Just because a lasagna recipe is ai generated doesn't mean lasagna doesn't exist.

    Histrionic personality disorder is hardly ever diagnosed anymore, it used to be wayyy higher especially on the side of women. Do you not have any background on the history of institutional psychiatry at all?

    Buddy, you are literally angry I told you this "condition" isn't anything like a real mental disorder, let alone one that requires medical attention. Neither is ADHD. Schizophrenia and autism are quite real. This other stuff is pathologizing people's reactions to unnatural stressors and sensory experiences.

    Try it, use a sleep timer and get off the computer earlier. Go hiking. Eat more potassium, zinc, magnesium, b12 especially. Your "aphantasia" will go away.

    You're the butthurt one begging for some kind of hyperlink posting contest.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I'm sorry but you're weird and delusional, you freak. Apparently your denial of neuroscience has led you into a downward spiral into severe mental illness. You need serious psychiatric help for your fucked up brain.

    I've lost all interest in lecturing you. Goodbye, internet loser.

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  • [โ€“] -4 points 2 years ago

    Yes, keep lecturing me on how you're just stuck with an inability to focus on things or visualize clearly. There's nothing you can do about it. Keep being lazy. Don't go hiking! Stay indoors! Look at the computer all night. You seem American, isn't it like 5am for you?

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I do, I am webmaster for a site that's published quite a lot of critical stuff, but I don't really want to listen to your thoughts on what's deemed "antipsychiatry" considering you're an incurious bot of a man who only reposts the top links from google

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I do, I am webmaster for a site that's published quite a lot of critical stuff

    Translation: I host an anti-science blog website.

    but I don't really want to listen to your thoughts on what's deemed "antipsychiatry" considering you're an incurious bot of a man who only reposts the top links from google

    "MUHHHH I'M GONNA KEEP REPEATING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT YOU USE GOOGLE AND MAKE FALSE CLAIMS WITH NO EVIDENCE!!!" โ€“ you.

    You have no evidence. You will never have evidence. You're just being a crybaby and throwing a fit since you're very clearly wrong and can't find experts in the field who agree with you.

    Scientists prove science wrong, not random losers on the internet. You'd think you'd be able to find actual scientists saying that there's no evidence for aphantasia when it comes to papers with hundreds of citations, but I guess the best you have is saying there's not enough data for your tastes and pretending you know better than modern scientists?

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  • [โ€“] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It's not an anti-science blog lol. I've only written 2 of the articles, I let the PhDs do the posting! I don't just blindly repeat whatever studies I see like you, and I'm not going to keep repeating myself over you, you manchild.

    The point of my initial comment was to recommend to you something which helped me with the same issue. It's not some kind of thing that's neurologically stamped into your brain, but I'm sure they'll go on a goose chase for the "aphantasia gene" next.

    I tried to tell you how you can fix your "aphantasia", the proof is in the pudding. You certainly didn't claim to be doing any of the healthy behaviors I mentioned.

    Remember, I was trying to help you with your fake personality test disease? Worked for me. You're afraid to try it, aren't you?

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I have not once mentioned personality tests you troglodyte.

    You know what buddy, let's say you ARE right and the solutions you posted ARE a cure to ADHD. How do you explain healthy people, like athletes and a lot of nutritionalists who are fit, who have ADHD and, despite being fit & eating well, still suffer symptoms of the disorder and may participate in therapy for it or take medication for it? Do those people not exist to you, or let me guess, you're gonna say they're faking it?

    Michael Phelps has ADHD, and is the most decorated Olympian of all time. He has talked about ADHD quite a lot. Michelle Carter, Terry Bradshaw, Kevin Garnett. All legends in the sport. And these are just the household names, multiple studies put the prevalence of ADHD in college athletics/professional athletics as higher than in non-athletes of the same demographics.

    You have so far not actually provided evidence for your assertions, and your false claims fly in the face of actual reality. You can't actually muster up anything that says exercise and healthy eating cures ADHD because it's just not true.

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The comparison to personality tests is derogatory, as is the comparison to mood rings and MBTI tests. You're like the kids on tiktok who diagnose themselves with autism and participate in self-reporting studies.

    HAHAHAHAHAH you sound exactly like MBTI freaks. "Kim Kardashian is an ENFP! I believe MLK was an INTJ!" seriously go look up "famous/historical figures mbti" that's where the comparison is coming from. You're not being put on trial, you neurotic mess! I'm trying to clarify your "misunderstandings" which are painfully annoying attempts to create gotchas

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago

    You have no evidence or actual science backing your claims so you're resorting to having an outburst and using emotion in place of science. You have yet to even mention a single real source, and you have the audacity to say I'm the one without evidence. lol

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Here, I'll stop being a cunt if you humor this example:

    Histrionic personality disorder "isn't real" and was "never fuckin real" by my definitions. Were there people who fit the description? Yes. But it's not a rigorous definition of what's happening. I don't think these studies do a good job of showing it's not metacognition, environmental, or behavioral factors wrapped up into a buzzword. I will respect your wall of links by pulling some examples from them rather than just complaining about the small sample size or where the sample was taken.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "By my definitions" is the problem. You have 0 qualification or education on the matter so you don't get to change definitions. You have no say in what medical conditions are.

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  • [โ€“] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe you should check on how many people are getting diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder then, grandpa ๐Ÿ˜‚ it's 2024

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 2 years ago* (2 children)
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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "literally every statistic" lmao webmd is more reliable than your ass. an AI would be more reliable than you

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "WAHHH I DON'T LIKE STATISTICS" the person who has no statistics backing their claims says. Cry harder toddler, I have given you apt evidence to come to a correct conclusion but you clearly have the mental capacity of a toddler.

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  • [โ€“] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    "statistics" are in this case ai generated blogposts which showed up at the top of your search engine. this really is transparently annoying pseud behavior. i tried to tell you to eat more oranges, and that you're underslept

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Buddy plenty of these statistics available are from before LLMs were popularized and had the capacity to making believable blog posts. Plenty of these link their studies/sources which are actual researchers. You're just crying because statistics don't say what you want them to say.

    Stop being a toddler.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    This is exactly like when you ask reddit for recipes and they post ai generated shit from google. You're a fucking embarrassing human being. I hope you remember my words in twenty years. Reddit is a haven for such ignorant people.

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  • [โ€“] 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Lol I know that nobody has to remind you in twenty years that you're a nutjob conspiracy theororist and a crybaby, since you're clearly reminded of that every day you take a breath. You're a 14 year old Redditor who just bullshits, provides no sources, and then says science is wrong and they're right.

    I clearly made you quite butthurt.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago

    Lol okay man, stay indoors, keep bad posture, eat lots of sugar, and don't worry about how you can't focus on anything or have clear memories. That's probably just genetic! Like schizophrenics, you have a very serious psychiatric condition that should be studied ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ you are VALID sweetie

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