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unsure why we are surprised lol (lemmy.cafe)
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[–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Depends on whether the person saying it is a fellow leftie or a rightwinger brainlet. To the first, it's what you described - an anti-Marxist communist. To the second group, anyone left of Nixon.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    IMO a tankie on the left is just a pure anti-west authoritarian cosplaying as a communist - the communism is largely window dressing and they are generally perfectly happy defending Russia (obviously not communist) or authoritarian nonsense from China and other communist countries.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    Wtf is an anti-Marxist communist? Is that like a swimmer that can’t swim? Arizona just outlawed abortion, and have senators speaking in tongues while praying on the floor of the house. President Biden is fully endorsing a genocide in the Middle East. Trump might become the first dictator of America.

    And ya’ll worried about

    ?.?.“”TANKIES””. ?.?

    Get some GD perspective.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    They're comment is wrong. But non-marxian communism exists. For example council communism.

    But a Tankie is basically a Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist communist who dick rides authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I’ve always liked the idea of Council Communism, but I must admit I don’t know as much about it as I would like.

    As such, it is referred to as anti-authoritarianand anti-Leninist Marxism.

    I just think it’s silly to divide ourselves into camps, while we are essentially seeking the same goals.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    while we are essentially seeking the same goals.

    Authoritarian "leftists" are not seeking the same goals as other leftists.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago

    Neither are social democrats, but we take help where we can get it. If we exclude anyone anti-fascist, that division will be exploited. We can’t afford to lose sight of the true enemy, the billionaire ruling class.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Council communism is basically methadone therapy for Marxists, for those that can't make the leap to Anarchism. Council Communism is essentially indistinguishable (in practice, theory is a bit different) from Syndicalism.

    As to campism: Somehow it's always the authoritarians calling for "left unity", that of course meaning "follow Stalin": Never, ever, do they sit down and actually consider the opinions of anti-auths. No, we don't have the same goals: They want to rule, we don't. And, no, we didn't forget the Bolsheviks allying with fascists to stab Anarchists in the back.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    “The anarchists point of view is the most disruptive element in the New Left and should be capitalized on in the most confusing ways,” the FBI wrote. Source

    Why were the FBI okay with Anarchists, but not Marxists Leninist like the Black Panthers?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago

    I can't speak for the FBI but bullshit needs disruption, anyways, and confusion is the first step to enlightenment. Of course the FBI should've started by disrupting themselves but you can't have everything in life.

    Actually even the premise and also language used in that sentence makes me think we might be looking at a Discordian having infiltrated the FBI. What better place to author a zine than on Uncle Sam's dime?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Begone, tankie.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    I’m a white, upper middle class boomer living in America who is registered independent, but consistently voted for Democrats for the past 28 years. I did vote for Ross Perot in ‘92, because I wanted a third party. I’m as far removed from a “tankie” as you can get.

    Why is it wrong to think for yourself and form your own opinions? Ya’ll just want to hate on people to pretend you have some control in this chaotic world.

    It makes me sad that so many want to spread hate instead of love.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    To be fair, I only have you labaled as "tankie apologist" on my app.

    And tankies poison the well, they are something to be concerned about even if worse things are happening.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago

    That’s fair. I’m more worried about climate change than the pettiness of leftist infighting, so I will continue to apologize for any group that is anti-capitalist.

    I’m pragmatic enough to understand that when a planned economy comes, and it will, we may not have the time and opportunities to choose which structures replace capitalism. It may be an amalgamation of many socialist strategies.

    I find it pointless to bicker over socialism, when fascism is the bigger threat. But it is entertaining.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Get some GD perspective.

    That's fucking RICH, and that's coming from a lib who apparently only knows how to genocide for vast wealth and power.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    Did you just own yourself? I don’t understand this convoluted cleverness.

    I feel so owned right now. I may have to eat some ice cream.

    In what way did your comment refute any point I made?

    Just screaming into the abyss… sad.

    Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.

    Nietzsche

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