▲ 833 ▼ Russian soldier admits proudly his comrades were killing POWs (euromaidanpress.com) submitted 3 years ago by alphacyberranger@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 169 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] theodewere@kbin.social 34 points 3 years ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] pingveno@kbin.social -87 points 3 years ago (3 children) We can talk about the murderers who are doing this without using racist epithets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] mino@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] primbin@lemmy.one -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality "orcs" feels kinda racist to me, idk I've seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I'm sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it. Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 39 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s an insult, not racism. Just read the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'll take a middle road here It's not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities. Dehumanization is how we got here, it's not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles. It's subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree with you. Furthermore, it's a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They're a dangerous animal. You wouldn't let a dangerous animal live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is. And I'm empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands. Fuck em. Those aren't humans. Those are monsters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone -89 points 3 years ago* (9 children) You need to return to reddit and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) lemmy.blahaj.zone They would also torture you to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 years ago FACTOS permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hanabie@kbin.social 26 points 3 years ago You need to return to lemmygrad. permalink fedilink source parent [+] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 24 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloopernova@programming.dev 23 points 3 years ago You need to go to russia and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism permalink fedilink source parent [–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 years ago lol no, get lost tankie permalink fedilink source parent [–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago Lol. Lmao, even permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago Says the one who obviously has a stick up his ass about white people, and uses terms like "White People trash". permalink fedilink source parent [–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago all Russians are gonna learn.. you obviously need to accept that.. it's going to be tough for you, because you believe you're exceptional for some reason.. trust me, you will understand something new very soon.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 years ago You joined a week ago... We are here longer. Gtfo permalink fedilink source parent
[+] pingveno@kbin.social -87 points 3 years ago (3 children) We can talk about the murderers who are doing this without using racist epithets. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] mino@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] primbin@lemmy.one -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality "orcs" feels kinda racist to me, idk I've seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I'm sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it. Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 39 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s an insult, not racism. Just read the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'll take a middle road here It's not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities. Dehumanization is how we got here, it's not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles. It's subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree with you. Furthermore, it's a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They're a dangerous animal. You wouldn't let a dangerous animal live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is. And I'm empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands. Fuck em. Those aren't humans. Those are monsters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent [+] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mino@discuss.tchncs.de 58 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] primbin@lemmy.one -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality "orcs" feels kinda racist to me, idk I've seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I'm sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it. Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] primbin@lemmy.one -7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) I agree, fuck russia, I despise the Russian army, but calling people of a specific nationality "orcs" feels kinda racist to me, idk I've seen people calling all russians orcs, not just the soldiers, even though I'm sure there are a lot of russians who are opposed to the actions of their government. It feels like it could become another harmful, racist stereotype if we all keep repeating it and defending it. Like, when the war is over, will Russians still be called orcs? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] SCB@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago* [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LemmyRefugee@lemmy.world 39 points 3 years ago (1 child) It’s an insult, not racism. Just read the dictionary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'll take a middle road here It's not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities. Dehumanization is how we got here, it's not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles. It's subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree with you. Furthermore, it's a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They're a dangerous animal. You wouldn't let a dangerous animal live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is. And I'm empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands. Fuck em. Those aren't humans. Those are monsters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 34 points 3 years ago (2 children) I'll take a middle road here It's not good to dehumanize people. Even ones who commit atrocities. Dehumanization is how we got here, it's not a good path back, unless we wanna go in circles. It's subtle, but important, for us to keep human the worst humans. We need to keep salient that these atrocities are being committed by our own to our own humans. That we are all capable of it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree with you. Furthermore, it's a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They're a dangerous animal. You wouldn't let a dangerous animal live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is. And I'm empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands. Fuck em. Those aren't humans. Those are monsters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 child) I agree with you. Furthermore, it's a step down the path of genocide. If your opponent is not human, why do they deserve human rights? They're a dangerous animal. You wouldn't let a dangerous animal live. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 years ago (1 child) No one is seriously committing genocide against Russia. Stop overreacting permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 3 years ago I'm not saying they are. You're missing the point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] at_an_angle@lemmy.one -1 points 3 years ago (2 children) While I do agree with you, the more information that comes out of this war and what Russian soldiers do to the citizens of Ukraine, the less empathy there is. And I'm empty. After hearing about the rape and murder of men, women, and children by Russian hands. Fuck em. Those aren't humans. Those are monsters. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) No, they are humans, just like you. Like it or not, there is nothing within you that is not within them. You are fully capable of commiting those very acts. Humans are evil. There are no monsters. Until we can all agree on this, atrocities will continue to occur. The downvotes just tell me that humans are doomed to repeat history. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 years ago The reason you don't dehumanize people who commit atrocities isn't (mainly) because they deserve more empathy. It's because it's important not to forget that these atrocities are committed by everyday humans. Normal I have a wife and kids, I joined the army as a kid out of high school or after being a warehouse clerk for a few years, I coach soccer in the summers, basic-ass humans. When we dehumanize people like that it blinds us to the fact normal people can commit atrocities when sufficiently radicalized and trained to dehumanize others. It blinds us to the dangers posed by these ideologies when they're in their initial stages. When we dehumanize people like that it also mentally prepares us to accept when atrocities are committed against them, or even to become complicit in doing so. You don't humanize them for them. You do it to protect you and everyone you love from the dangers of dehumanizing others. permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] YaaAsantewaa@lemmy.blahaj.zone -89 points 3 years ago* (9 children) You need to return to reddit and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 18 child comments replies: [–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) lemmy.blahaj.zone They would also torture you to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 years ago FACTOS permalink fedilink source parent [–] Hanabie@kbin.social 26 points 3 years ago You need to return to lemmygrad. permalink fedilink source parent [+] NumbersCanBeFun@kbin.social 24 points 3 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] bloopernova@programming.dev 23 points 3 years ago You need to go to russia and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism permalink fedilink source parent [–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 years ago lol no, get lost tankie permalink fedilink source parent [–] mashbooq@infosec.pub 9 points 3 years ago Lol. Lmao, even permalink fedilink source parent [–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago Says the one who obviously has a stick up his ass about white people, and uses terms like "White People trash". permalink fedilink source parent [–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago all Russians are gonna learn.. you obviously need to accept that.. it's going to be tough for you, because you believe you're exceptional for some reason.. trust me, you will understand something new very soon.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 years ago You joined a week ago... We are here longer. Gtfo permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZILtoid1991@kbin.social 28 points 3 years ago (1 child) lemmy.blahaj.zone They would also torture you to death. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 years ago FACTOS permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Hanabie@kbin.social 26 points 3 years ago You need to return to lemmygrad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 23 points 3 years ago You need to go to russia and leave with your disgusting xenophobia and racism permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fiah@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 3 years ago lol no, get lost tankie permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SpaceCadet@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 years ago Says the one who obviously has a stick up his ass about white people, and uses terms like "White People trash". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] theodewere@kbin.social 3 points 3 years ago all Russians are gonna learn.. you obviously need to accept that.. it's going to be tough for you, because you believe you're exceptional for some reason.. trust me, you will understand something new very soon.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works -5 points 3 years ago You joined a week ago... We are here longer. Gtfo permalink fedilink source parent