▲ 122 ▼ What is a bad writing trope you hate in fantasy fiction ? (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by x4740N@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world 167 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] zkfcfbzr@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) Do you have a good example of a story which doesn't fall into this trope at all? One which perfectly encapsulates not doing this? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The Expanse in the first couple of seasons did a decent job of showing that the characters were flawed and not at the center of the world while struggling against a system that is a more realistic portrayal of what monsters exceptionalism really creates. This aspect of Star Trek the next generation did a pretty good job of contextualizing the fact that the events on the Enterprise were the stories of one of many such vessels. EDIT: That is why I like Dune and Asimov's universe as well. In Dune there is a ton of exceptionalism, and it is outright shown to be awful for the average person. I would argue that every form of exceptionalism throughout the books is always met with an equally negative outcome and flaw. In Asimov's stuff there is exceptional altruism in Daneel. The most exceptional characters like The Mule is shown as a tyrant. Hari Seldon is unexceptional in his exceptional idea, but is dead for the exceptional events that followed and his exceptionalism is constantly in question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] loobkoob@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The Expanse is the first thing that came to mind for me as a counter-example when I read your first comment so I'm glad to see you mention it! It even plays on the exceptionalism idea in book/season 3 and 4 where Holden seems special because >!Miller is appearing to him!< and because >!he isn't affected by the eye parasites!< only to explain those things away with reasoning stemming from events that already happened in previous books. And any exceptionalism that comes after that is largely due to the reputation or skills characters have built for themselves rather than because they're "chosen ones". If you haven't read the books, I really recommend them! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Just very quickly: the books are so much better than the show! I had to stop watching the show somewhere I think in season 2 - everything started digressing/simplifying too much from the books (the characters became flat and uninteresting etc.) So yeah, I found the books much more enjoyable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ramble81@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Lost in Translation comes to mind. A peek into the intersection of two people’s lives for a few days permalink fedilink source parent
[–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The Expanse in the first couple of seasons did a decent job of showing that the characters were flawed and not at the center of the world while struggling against a system that is a more realistic portrayal of what monsters exceptionalism really creates. This aspect of Star Trek the next generation did a pretty good job of contextualizing the fact that the events on the Enterprise were the stories of one of many such vessels. EDIT: That is why I like Dune and Asimov's universe as well. In Dune there is a ton of exceptionalism, and it is outright shown to be awful for the average person. I would argue that every form of exceptionalism throughout the books is always met with an equally negative outcome and flaw. In Asimov's stuff there is exceptional altruism in Daneel. The most exceptional characters like The Mule is shown as a tyrant. Hari Seldon is unexceptional in his exceptional idea, but is dead for the exceptional events that followed and his exceptionalism is constantly in question. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] loobkoob@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The Expanse is the first thing that came to mind for me as a counter-example when I read your first comment so I'm glad to see you mention it! It even plays on the exceptionalism idea in book/season 3 and 4 where Holden seems special because >!Miller is appearing to him!< and because >!he isn't affected by the eye parasites!< only to explain those things away with reasoning stemming from events that already happened in previous books. And any exceptionalism that comes after that is largely due to the reputation or skills characters have built for themselves rather than because they're "chosen ones". If you haven't read the books, I really recommend them! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Just very quickly: the books are so much better than the show! I had to stop watching the show somewhere I think in season 2 - everything started digressing/simplifying too much from the books (the characters became flat and uninteresting etc.) So yeah, I found the books much more enjoyable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) The Expanse is the first thing that came to mind for me as a counter-example when I read your first comment so I'm glad to see you mention it! It even plays on the exceptionalism idea in book/season 3 and 4 where Holden seems special because >!Miller is appearing to him!< and because >!he isn't affected by the eye parasites!< only to explain those things away with reasoning stemming from events that already happened in previous books. And any exceptionalism that comes after that is largely due to the reputation or skills characters have built for themselves rather than because they're "chosen ones". If you haven't read the books, I really recommend them! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Just very quickly: the books are so much better than the show! I had to stop watching the show somewhere I think in season 2 - everything started digressing/simplifying too much from the books (the characters became flat and uninteresting etc.) So yeah, I found the books much more enjoyable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] j4k3@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Just very quickly: the books are so much better than the show! I had to stop watching the show somewhere I think in season 2 - everything started digressing/simplifying too much from the books (the characters became flat and uninteresting etc.) So yeah, I found the books much more enjoyable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kinetic_donor@lemmy.zip 1 point 2 years ago Just very quickly: the books are so much better than the show! I had to stop watching the show somewhere I think in season 2 - everything started digressing/simplifying too much from the books (the characters became flat and uninteresting etc.) So yeah, I found the books much more enjoyable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago Lost in Translation comes to mind. A peek into the intersection of two people’s lives for a few days permalink fedilink source parent