▲ 122 ▼ Luck be a Landlord is now banned in 13 countries on the Google Play Store (blog.trampolinetales.com) submitted 2 years ago by nanoUFO@sh.itjust.works [M] to c/games@sh.itjust.works 43 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] ironeagl@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 years ago (2 children) So you think an FPS should be taken down for murder? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] steb@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago Similar to some countries banning games that depict skulls or blood, these countries have banned games that depict gambling. This is different from banning games that contain loot boxes or actual gambling. permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago (7 children) No because that's not killing anyone. But a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn't really pay out. So a slot machine simulator getting banned in countries that ban gambling makes perfect sense. But the creator apparently thinks it's because those countries just love capitalism so much... I don't know what's hard to understand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] bogdugg@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out Uhh, no? That's not what gambling is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't you know that every choice you make throughout the day is gambling? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Poob@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] hughperman@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Every random number generator is gambling, dammit. Right down to quantum mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) What about Vampire Survivors, as well as numerous other games, using spinners or other slot-machine-like animations to represent RPG drops? Should all of these games be banned for the same reason? If anything, many of these better re-create the slot machine experience with their flashy effects and more substantial results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago* In Super Mario Bros 2 you use a slot machine to get extra lives at the end of each level - I hope they've banned that game too. permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm not exactly up to date on mobile games... But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're also banned. Although people who play a lot of mobile games would explain the type of replies I'm getting. So it probably wasn't intentional, but you did help, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* These aren't mobile games, they're desktop games, and this isn't anything new. These same themes and effects have been used for decades. As someone else points out, even the retro Mario games have you use spinners and slot machines. RNG is exciting and helps make a fun and engaging game. I mean, by that same logic, a game like Catan should be banned because one of its primary mechanics is just being rewarded for favorable dice rolls, as you would be when gambling on dice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago There is a metric fuckton of slot machine games on the playstore. This game, which isn't gambling, is being limited while other slot machine games aren't. It would be different if the policy was applied equally to other apps as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also banned. You've been told multiple times it is not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lucent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LbaL is also on Steam btw, I played it there a few years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well the UAE for instance recently made a deal with a Las Vegas casino. Wynn Resorts. Exceptions are made, clearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I googled that. It's set to open in 2027 because they're confident by then it will be legal. But it's 2023 and it's not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it's legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Really, Luck Be A Landlord just needs to call them 'duty free luck draws' or something. Or disguise the slots as horse races. Gambling is rampant in places like the UAE, it's just gamed,(haw). So that's all LBAL would need to do. I doubt it's worth the effort for the sales in the countries banning it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But it’s 2023 and it’s not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it’s legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter Except gambling on racing is legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are you just trolling? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago The fps isn't killing anybody and spinning the wheels in luck be a landlord isn't taking anybody's money. Neither is bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* FPS games aren't actually killing anyone. And a slot machine simulator is not actually gambling. Gambling is the wagering of something of value ("the stakes") on a random event with the intent of winning something else of value, where instances of strategy are discounted. (Wikipedia) . If you are not paying or receiving money you are not gambling. You are just playing a game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Homeschooled316@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Present evidence that fake gambling causes real gambling. Not evidence that it actives dopamine receptors. Actual gambling. Fantasy and fiction don’t cause maladaptive behavior. One day society will accept that this is still true for audiovisual media, just as it had to be slowly accepted for music, just as it had to be slowly accepted for books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago This is like saying meteorologists who predict the rain cause it... permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago But a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out. u wot? It's not a slot machine simulator either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] steb@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago Similar to some countries banning games that depict skulls or blood, these countries have banned games that depict gambling. This is different from banning games that contain loot boxes or actual gambling. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -52 points 2 years ago (7 children) No because that's not killing anyone. But a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn't really pay out. So a slot machine simulator getting banned in countries that ban gambling makes perfect sense. But the creator apparently thinks it's because those countries just love capitalism so much... I don't know what's hard to understand permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] bogdugg@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out Uhh, no? That's not what gambling is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't you know that every choice you make throughout the day is gambling? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Poob@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] hughperman@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Every random number generator is gambling, dammit. Right down to quantum mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) What about Vampire Survivors, as well as numerous other games, using spinners or other slot-machine-like animations to represent RPG drops? Should all of these games be banned for the same reason? If anything, many of these better re-create the slot machine experience with their flashy effects and more substantial results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago* In Super Mario Bros 2 you use a slot machine to get extra lives at the end of each level - I hope they've banned that game too. permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm not exactly up to date on mobile games... But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're also banned. Although people who play a lot of mobile games would explain the type of replies I'm getting. So it probably wasn't intentional, but you did help, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* These aren't mobile games, they're desktop games, and this isn't anything new. These same themes and effects have been used for decades. As someone else points out, even the retro Mario games have you use spinners and slot machines. RNG is exciting and helps make a fun and engaging game. I mean, by that same logic, a game like Catan should be banned because one of its primary mechanics is just being rewarded for favorable dice rolls, as you would be when gambling on dice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago There is a metric fuckton of slot machine games on the playstore. This game, which isn't gambling, is being limited while other slot machine games aren't. It would be different if the policy was applied equally to other apps as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also banned. You've been told multiple times it is not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lucent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LbaL is also on Steam btw, I played it there a few years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well the UAE for instance recently made a deal with a Las Vegas casino. Wynn Resorts. Exceptions are made, clearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I googled that. It's set to open in 2027 because they're confident by then it will be legal. But it's 2023 and it's not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it's legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Really, Luck Be A Landlord just needs to call them 'duty free luck draws' or something. Or disguise the slots as horse races. Gambling is rampant in places like the UAE, it's just gamed,(haw). So that's all LBAL would need to do. I doubt it's worth the effort for the sales in the countries banning it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But it’s 2023 and it’s not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it’s legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter Except gambling on racing is legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are you just trolling? permalink fedilink source parent [–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago The fps isn't killing anybody and spinning the wheels in luck be a landlord isn't taking anybody's money. Neither is bad. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* FPS games aren't actually killing anyone. And a slot machine simulator is not actually gambling. Gambling is the wagering of something of value ("the stakes") on a random event with the intent of winning something else of value, where instances of strategy are discounted. (Wikipedia) . If you are not paying or receiving money you are not gambling. You are just playing a game. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Homeschooled316@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Present evidence that fake gambling causes real gambling. Not evidence that it actives dopamine receptors. Actual gambling. Fantasy and fiction don’t cause maladaptive behavior. One day society will accept that this is still true for audiovisual media, just as it had to be slowly accepted for music, just as it had to be slowly accepted for books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago This is like saying meteorologists who predict the rain cause it... permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago But a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out. u wot? It's not a slot machine simulator either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bogdugg@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago (1 child) a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out Uhh, no? That's not what gambling is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't you know that every choice you make throughout the day is gambling? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Poob@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] hughperman@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Every random number generator is gambling, dammit. Right down to quantum mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kmkz_ninja@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (2 children) Didn't you know that every choice you make throughout the day is gambling? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Poob@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent [–] hughperman@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Every random number generator is gambling, dammit. Right down to quantum mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Poob@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cybersteel@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's gambling with your life man. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Poob@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 years ago See my previous comment permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hughperman@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago Every random number generator is gambling, dammit. Right down to quantum mechanics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) What about Vampire Survivors, as well as numerous other games, using spinners or other slot-machine-like animations to represent RPG drops? Should all of these games be banned for the same reason? If anything, many of these better re-create the slot machine experience with their flashy effects and more substantial results. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago* In Super Mario Bros 2 you use a slot machine to get extra lives at the end of each level - I hope they've banned that game too. permalink fedilink source parent [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm not exactly up to date on mobile games... But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're also banned. Although people who play a lot of mobile games would explain the type of replies I'm getting. So it probably wasn't intentional, but you did help, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* These aren't mobile games, they're desktop games, and this isn't anything new. These same themes and effects have been used for decades. As someone else points out, even the retro Mario games have you use spinners and slot machines. RNG is exciting and helps make a fun and engaging game. I mean, by that same logic, a game like Catan should be banned because one of its primary mechanics is just being rewarded for favorable dice rolls, as you would be when gambling on dice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago There is a metric fuckton of slot machine games on the playstore. This game, which isn't gambling, is being limited while other slot machine games aren't. It would be different if the policy was applied equally to other apps as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also banned. You've been told multiple times it is not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lucent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LbaL is also on Steam btw, I played it there a few years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pruwybn@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 2 years ago* In Super Mario Bros 2 you use a slot machine to get extra lives at the end of each level - I hope they've banned that game too. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (5 children) I'm not exactly up to date on mobile games... But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if they're also banned. Although people who play a lot of mobile games would explain the type of replies I'm getting. So it probably wasn't intentional, but you did help, thanks! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* These aren't mobile games, they're desktop games, and this isn't anything new. These same themes and effects have been used for decades. As someone else points out, even the retro Mario games have you use spinners and slot machines. RNG is exciting and helps make a fun and engaging game. I mean, by that same logic, a game like Catan should be banned because one of its primary mechanics is just being rewarded for favorable dice rolls, as you would be when gambling on dice. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago There is a metric fuckton of slot machine games on the playstore. This game, which isn't gambling, is being limited while other slot machine games aren't. It would be different if the policy was applied equally to other apps as well. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also banned. You've been told multiple times it is not. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Lucent@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LbaL is also on Steam btw, I played it there a few years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago* These aren't mobile games, they're desktop games, and this isn't anything new. These same themes and effects have been used for decades. As someone else points out, even the retro Mario games have you use spinners and slot machines. RNG is exciting and helps make a fun and engaging game. I mean, by that same logic, a game like Catan should be banned because one of its primary mechanics is just being rewarded for favorable dice rolls, as you would be when gambling on dice. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago There is a metric fuckton of slot machine games on the playstore. This game, which isn't gambling, is being limited while other slot machine games aren't. It would be different if the policy was applied equally to other apps as well. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But if their primary gameplay is a slot machine simulator, then yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re also banned. You've been told multiple times it is not. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago LbaL is also on Steam btw, I played it there a few years ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Well the UAE for instance recently made a deal with a Las Vegas casino. Wynn Resorts. Exceptions are made, clearly. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I googled that. It's set to open in 2027 because they're confident by then it will be legal. But it's 2023 and it's not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it's legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Really, Luck Be A Landlord just needs to call them 'duty free luck draws' or something. Or disguise the slots as horse races. Gambling is rampant in places like the UAE, it's just gamed,(haw). So that's all LBAL would need to do. I doubt it's worth the effort for the sales in the countries banning it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But it’s 2023 and it’s not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it’s legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter Except gambling on racing is legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are you just trolling? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -19 points 2 years ago (3 children) I googled that. It's set to open in 2027 because they're confident by then it will be legal. But it's 2023 and it's not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it's legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Really, Luck Be A Landlord just needs to call them 'duty free luck draws' or something. Or disguise the slots as horse races. Gambling is rampant in places like the UAE, it's just gamed,(haw). So that's all LBAL would need to do. I doubt it's worth the effort for the sales in the countries banning it though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But it’s 2023 and it’s not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it’s legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter Except gambling on racing is legal. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are you just trolling? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago Really, Luck Be A Landlord just needs to call them 'duty free luck draws' or something. Or disguise the slots as horse races. Gambling is rampant in places like the UAE, it's just gamed,(haw). So that's all LBAL would need to do. I doubt it's worth the effort for the sales in the countries banning it though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago But it’s 2023 and it’s not legal. So sure, if in 2027 it’s legal and this mobile slot machine simulator is still banned, maybe it would matter Except gambling on racing is legal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Are you just trolling? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago The fps isn't killing anybody and spinning the wheels in luck be a landlord isn't taking anybody's money. Neither is bad. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago* FPS games aren't actually killing anyone. And a slot machine simulator is not actually gambling. Gambling is the wagering of something of value ("the stakes") on a random event with the intent of winning something else of value, where instances of strategy are discounted. (Wikipedia) . If you are not paying or receiving money you are not gambling. You are just playing a game. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Homeschooled316@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Present evidence that fake gambling causes real gambling. Not evidence that it actives dopamine receptors. Actual gambling. Fantasy and fiction don’t cause maladaptive behavior. One day society will accept that this is still true for audiovisual media, just as it had to be slowly accepted for music, just as it had to be slowly accepted for books. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago This is like saying meteorologists who predict the rain cause it... permalink fedilink source parent
[+] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -11 points 2 years ago This is like saying meteorologists who predict the rain cause it... permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago But a slot machine simulator is still gambling even if it doesn’t really pay out. u wot? It's not a slot machine simulator either. permalink fedilink source parent