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[–] imgonnatrythis@lemm.ee 151 points 2 years ago (7 children) Wtf is an uncorrupt government? permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 67 points 2 years ago* (1 child) All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism. It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Serious question. Is it possible to do this with very large populations? It seems like it might get inherently more complicated with several tiers of government (federal, state, county, city, etc...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It definitely feels like Dunbar's Number is a gate to keep this from being effective in large communities. If we can't view more than a finite amount of other humans as being "real," how do we begin to get massively large groups of humans to care for one another? This is a question I don't have the answer to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too. I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent [–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago Exactly. We could also eliminate carbon emissions by moving everything via unicorns and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent [–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago "Military Intelligence" Two words combined that can't make sense 🎵 permalink fedilink source parent [–] NightAuthor@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never older than like 12 hours permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Bold assumption that it'd take that long permalink fedilink source parent [–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Wtf is an uncorrupt capitalist society? We have to try to keep both in check and will never be perfect. permalink fedilink source parent [–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Honestly I believe this to be a way more important issue to discuss than the whole capitalism vs socialism vs communism vs whatever else argument. If your ideas can easily be perverted by corruption then it won't work. I have some ideas but I'm just some idiot on the internet. I think you need checks and balances. Have at least two groups with similar power at odds with one another. One example is corporation vs government. But I don't think just 2 groups is good enough. Ideally you probably want 3 groups at the very least. I know many governments around the world already uses this sort of structure internally (eg different branches of government), but I don't think these solutions take into account the existence of mega corporations that can act across country borders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shunned_Marble4378@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago you mean for example germanys separated power of the legislative, executive and judicative powers? yeah, that works out pretty shit. permalink fedilink source parent [+] PunchingBag@kbin.social 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 67 points 2 years ago* (1 child) All types of governance and economic systems are susceptible to despotism. It takes a constantly educated and involved population to fight it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Serious question. Is it possible to do this with very large populations? It seems like it might get inherently more complicated with several tiers of government (federal, state, county, city, etc...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It definitely feels like Dunbar's Number is a gate to keep this from being effective in large communities. If we can't view more than a finite amount of other humans as being "real," how do we begin to get massively large groups of humans to care for one another? This is a question I don't have the answer to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too. I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Serious question. Is it possible to do this with very large populations? It seems like it might get inherently more complicated with several tiers of government (federal, state, county, city, etc...) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It definitely feels like Dunbar's Number is a gate to keep this from being effective in large communities. If we can't view more than a finite amount of other humans as being "real," how do we begin to get massively large groups of humans to care for one another? This is a question I don't have the answer to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too. I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) It definitely feels like Dunbar's Number is a gate to keep this from being effective in large communities. If we can't view more than a finite amount of other humans as being "real," how do we begin to get massively large groups of humans to care for one another? This is a question I don't have the answer to. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too. I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Deceptichum@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Because you don’t have to view them as “real” to know that caring for others can make things better for you too. I don’t think the issue is the being able to care, the issue is the arseholes turning groups against each other for their own gain. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago "I only do the right thing because God will punish me if I don't" vibes lol. Why can't you just operate from a principle of making things better for everyone? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dannoffs@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 2 years ago Exactly. We could also eliminate carbon emissions by moving everything via unicorns and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago "Military Intelligence" Two words combined that can't make sense 🎵 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] NightAuthor@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Never older than like 12 hours permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Bold assumption that it'd take that long permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago Bold assumption that it'd take that long permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PeleSpirit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago Wtf is an uncorrupt capitalist society? We have to try to keep both in check and will never be perfect. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Honestly I believe this to be a way more important issue to discuss than the whole capitalism vs socialism vs communism vs whatever else argument. If your ideas can easily be perverted by corruption then it won't work. I have some ideas but I'm just some idiot on the internet. I think you need checks and balances. Have at least two groups with similar power at odds with one another. One example is corporation vs government. But I don't think just 2 groups is good enough. Ideally you probably want 3 groups at the very least. I know many governments around the world already uses this sort of structure internally (eg different branches of government), but I don't think these solutions take into account the existence of mega corporations that can act across country borders. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Shunned_Marble4378@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago you mean for example germanys separated power of the legislative, executive and judicative powers? yeah, that works out pretty shit. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shunned_Marble4378@feddit.de 1 point 2 years ago you mean for example germanys separated power of the legislative, executive and judicative powers? yeah, that works out pretty shit. permalink fedilink source parent