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[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

You aren't wrong, in part at least, but I guarantee you that the person who doesn't have to set this thing up because they can quickly process information and produce compelling content on their own, without the aid of an LLM, will have a cognitive and competitive advantage in life. This may not be obvious when you are young and still in school.

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[–] eating3645@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

This is an argument that I do not agree with, but I 100% can respect.

I would assert that the LLMs are irrelevant here, the kid has an aptitude for engineering with or without LLMs. He clearly is capable of processing information and producing compelling content on his own.

Likewise, his peers may have their own faculties that will grant them an advantage in life. But I don't think failing to leverage existing technologies will do them any good. Using textbooks, the internet, and LLMs are various technologies that can be used effectively or detrimentally.

Other students may succeed, not due to their unwillingness to adopt LLMs, but in spite of it.

It seems you're hyper focused on an overly literal interpretation of a meme. Of course blindly outputting chatgpt's response is an ineffective strategy and doing the student a disservice. So is copying a textbook or plagiarizing from the Internet.

But rigging this bad boy up? That's innovative, and more importantly, makes a funny image.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

They're not, really. 3D printing simply hasn't taken off as promised and society is collapsing all around us anyway.

Plus he is making himself wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software to express thoughts for him, meaning now he cannot speak for himself or articulate his own ideas, leaving him vulnerable to whatever tech giants want.

What happens when Chat GPT starts censoring answers, or making shit up and the teacher catches him? Or he has to use the skills he is supposed to be learning on the fly (which happens all too often, especially critical thinking skills) without access to his workshop? Is he going to carry a 3D printer wherever he goes?

He is really selling himself short by using the few skills he has to get around learning anything else useful. That's the kind of mindset that is going to cause civilization to collapse, prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that he is uneducated to brainwash him, and endanger himself and those he loves.

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[–] eating3645@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

Let's look at your arguments:

3d printing hasn't taken off: I think you underestimate just how important rapid prototyping and additive manufacturing has been in industry. Just because you don't see it doesn't make it unimportant. Here you can see some aircraft brackets that were 3d printed. https://www.metal-am.com/amgta-shows-additive-manufacturings-role-in-lightweighting-aircraft-engine-bracket/
Corporate proprietary software. Neither cad nor LLMs are strictly corporate proprietary software. And I hate to break it to you but corporate proprietary software is not inherently evil and is commonly required in academic and professional environments. https://openscad.org/ https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/list-of-open-source-large-language-models-llms-4eac551bda2e
He cannot speak for himself.... It's better to parrot correct ideas than to articulate incorrect ones. Joking aside I don't see where you got this idea from, it seems he has plenty of creativity and aptitude for independent thought.
What happens when chatgpt starts censoring answers. Most llms are already censored and by their architecture they are specifically designed to make shit up. So any reasonable implementation would review and edit the output, a point you yourself already caught on to so again I fail to see your point here.
Is he going to carry a 3d printer? I remember hearing the same thing about calculators.
Your doom and gloom conclusion. LLMs are a tool that can be leveraged effectively or can be used to fuck yourself over quite quickly. However your ludditical (ludditicarian, luddilicious, luddite-loving, what's the right word here?) prevent progress, allow fascists to take advantage of the fact that you are uneducated and endanger our society and those you love.

The Times They Are A-Changin'

And don't criticize What you can't understand. Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command. Your old road is rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand. For the times they are a-changin'

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[+] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Let's not.

Let's watch you stop enabling other Americans to avoid being educated and watch you uplift our country instead of allowing it to collapse.

Let's watch you encourage young people to learn and help them do something meaningful instead of pushing people to become wholly dependent on corporate proprietary software that will lie, censor, send your deepest darkest secrets into the sweaty hands of marketing firms and tech giants, (and the open source garbage isn't better at all, because it can be updated to do the same without the knowledge you are rejecting), and enfeeble you completely.

Let's watch you actually think about and debate the points without copying and pasting answers you just printed out from Chat GPT.

Let's watch you do literally anything other than convince me more and more to ban the use of such tech when I get my own organizations going, and fire anyone who is caught using it. And the other industrious millennials and zoomers who will whip past you while you sit around being spoonfed scraps.

And don’t criticize

What you can’t understand

Your sons and your daughters

Are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly agin’ Please get out of the new one If you can’t lend your hand For the times they are a-changin’

And Act 2 of the motherfucking show: hiding behind aggressive personal attacks and accusations, and appealing to stereotypes about generational divided to legitimize BLATANTLY unethical and immoral behavior.

Learning and life is for humans, not for AI to help people pretend to learn just to pass a class. You have to learn to engage with life on this planet no matter how technologically advanced we become, and generative AI is not a step forward or progress, it is backward. It is regression. It is copyright infringement on a massive scale, it is plagiarism, it is theft, neatly hidden behind a digital wall.

And you are a morally bankrupt thief and scammer for supporting it.

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[–] eating3645@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

Proving my point exactly, you know what you're doing is wrong but you want to do it anyway because you don't care about anyone other than yourself.

You are under ethical and moral obligations to learn and do work on your own honestly and by your own hand. You don't have the right to lie, cheat and steal to get your way, yet here you are supporting technology that does exactly those three things.

You are a dishonest, scummy, worthless crook. Your actions are morally repugnant.

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[–] NoNotLikeThat@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Man, look at this guy all salty that ChatGPT writes a better paper than him. Do you yell at calculators too?

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Man, look at this guy all butthurt when he is told what he wants to do is wrong.

Do you talk back to your teachers and parents when they try to convince you to read or learn too or are you of the type that thinks you have no future anyway, so it doesn't matter?

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[–] NoNotLikeThat@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I'm a theoretical physicist. Think I know what I'm doing, but you go ahead and keep arguing with everyone. There's nothing wrong with using tools.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

And I have 3 Ph. D's, black belts in Judo and Taekwondo, a $150 millon net worth so I clearly must know better than you.

Or maybe you should grow the fuck up and not blatantly lie to win an argument on the Internet.

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[–] NoNotLikeThat@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Well then in that case you should know how this technology works, how it's widely used, and what it's good for. Instead you're just a sad, angry boomer who is mad at the world.

Btw I am a physicist, I don't need to lie.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

How about educators evolve their tests instead of acting like it is the 1950's still?

Everybody has a calculator everywhere at all times, head calculations just aren't as useful anymore.

Instead of writing pages on topics by hand like some medieval peasant, how about teaching some critical reading of multiple sources through the use of AI synopsis?

Skills evolve over time. Writing cursive was once an extremely important skill. Now everything is digital and it became useless.

So if a task can be completed by copy pasting ChatGPT results, it isn't an effective teaching tool anymore.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago

They already are using in-class hand written and oral exams as a result of this and to that, I agree with you.

Also I can tell you for a fact mental and written calculations are far more useful than just typing shit on a calculator non-stop.

Also Chat GPT is not a calculator. It completely removed the human from all intellectual pursuits and that's why it's bad.

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[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Nice thing about AI is, there's more than just ChatGPT out there. And many actually are open and you can run them at home if you want.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Our government ruined everything by not regulating those scam algorithms when they had a chance. 🤦

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[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

?XD

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Chat GPT is fraud and copyright infringement on a mass scale and needs to be banned.

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[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

fraud lol copyright infringement not until proven in court

Go touch some grass

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[–] pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

The chat GPT interface is literally the simplest part of the whole solution. It requires wiring custom GCODE compiler from vector text and of course converting text to vector graphics. I bet this guy easily could learn anything he wanted to use and is one of the creative guys this society actually runs on in the long term.

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[+] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And not a single ounce of that is going to help him in any respect other than getting some hits on a video, unless he finds very niche specialty work using 3D printers which in the U.S. simply does not exist.

He still needs the understanding he can only obtain by actually learning material himself to be able to do anything actually useful.

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[–] pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Niche? Are you a lunatic? The 3D printing industry is one of the fastest growing fields in the world. 3D printing is getting cheaper and cheaper compared to eg. CNC machining. The industry is a very important one, because it allows you to create accurate parts much more quickly that to drill a block of metal. And all this not even mentioning that this required mostly general computer science skill, I hope you won't call the computer science field niche?

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yes, niche. He could make a profit doing homework for others, for a short time until he is caught I suppose. But America simply doesn't have the industry to really boost someone like him, and no one building any wants people who can't write on their own with their own hand or think with their own mind.

People like him have no real conceptual understanding of what they do. He can't do back of the envelope calculations, think quickly, or solve problems. And that's why Chat GPT will always be bad and immoral.

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[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

You think someone writing custom software can't solve problems?

Also, a 3d printer is just an additive cnc machine, learning how to operate, tweak, tune, write gcode, etc, is an incredibly important skill in manufacturing and r&d, CAD skills are not niche, they are incredibly sought after.

Learning how to use and modify a 3d printer at an early age, as well as learning software development, and practicing connecting disparate systems is one of the best things you could do if you want to become an engineer.

"He can't do back of the envelope calculations, think quickly, or solve problems." This is just made up, completely. That is literally just a fantasy created in your head.

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago

Not if all they're going to do is use it to do homework for them, no. They're just slaves wiring themselves to corporate machines and so are you for supporting them.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

CNC also runs on GCODE

You think CNC machines aren't being used, like literally everywhere?

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[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@sopuli.xyz -4 points 2 years ago

Stop trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel to defend some unscrupulous asshole who just wants to get out of learning important shit that bores them. Encourage them to learn instead.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Entirely too smart of a take for this thread. All OOP is doing is ensuring he's replaceable with AI