▲ 198 ▼ Your Computer Isn't Yours: Apple stores every program Mac users run, and when and where they ran it (sneak.berlin) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by mozz@mbin.grits.dev to c/technology@beehaw.org 60 comments fedilink hide all child comments Edit: Guys I didn't write the headline; the subtitle that I added, I've now fixed tho Edit: Also, the information about there being no escape is out of date -- here's a quick guide to how to fix the problem in the modern day
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Let's have the authorities force us to eat salad and exercise while we're at it, it's better for us permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Oh Christ, that's not the same thing and you know it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Meh. You're not just talking about just making it automatic or easy or recommended, but actually forcing everyone to have to go along with it and taking away the option to not do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You 100% should have to keep your systems up to date. It's a danger to yourself and everyone else when you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported. My hardware, my choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 24 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Oh Christ, that's not the same thing and you know it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Meh. You're not just talking about just making it automatic or easy or recommended, but actually forcing everyone to have to go along with it and taking away the option to not do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You 100% should have to keep your systems up to date. It's a danger to yourself and everyone else when you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported. My hardware, my choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Meh. You're not just talking about just making it automatic or easy or recommended, but actually forcing everyone to have to go along with it and taking away the option to not do it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You 100% should have to keep your systems up to date. It's a danger to yourself and everyone else when you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported. My hardware, my choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) You 100% should have to keep your systems up to date. It's a danger to yourself and everyone else when you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported. My hardware, my choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) Even at the risk of Microsoft adding more spyware to my machine, reinstalling apps I deliberately uninstalled, reverting privacy settings I set, strongarming me into using their browser, etc? All of which has been reported. My hardware, my choice. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent [–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child) If you want to phrase it as a "personal responsibility" thing, then you should frankly be criminally liable if your system is used for a DDOS attack. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Lol. As long as security updates are bundled with antifeature updates, this amounts to "install candy crush or go to jail!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) You think it's funny for your system to take part in an attack potentially costing billions of dollars in damages because you can't be bothered to switch off of Windows because "you don't like what Microsoft installs with their security updates" or "actually install security updates"? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago I'm not sure I follow the last "or" clause, but you can bring the criminal liability to Microsoft if you think it should attach for this reason permalink fedilink source parent
[–] termus@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Sounds like Microsoft is the problem here. Their antics finally got me to switch to Linux with Copilot. Just curious, are you unvaccinated too? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] derbis@beehaw.org 1 point 2 years ago No. How about you, are you anti-abortion? permalink fedilink source parent