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‘We Cannot Win’ Says Top Russian Commander (www.kyivpost.com)

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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 24 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

The long and short of it is that legalizing gay marriage isn't even a strong step to lgbt liberation, it is literally just tepid assimilationism. We are only "accepted by federal law" in most narrow and on their terms sense. Call me when the US government federally covers trans Healthcare, makes conversion torture a federal crime, deals with the queer(especially child) homelessness problem, and purges the people calling us all pedophiles.

Also, learn some fucking humility.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

But that's not what was under discussion. Does there exist a federal law which protects queerness?
Yes, yes there does.

Is it perfect? By no means, there's a long way to go. But the characterization of the US as queerphobic in the context of comparison to Russia is a nonsense. Both-sidesing this issue is a disgusting affront to the LGBTQ people suffering under Putin.

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 19 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

You're original wording was:

which accepts queerness in its federal law.

You do not know what queerness is if you think that is met by gay marriage being legalized federally.

Is it perfect? By no means, there's a long way to go. But the characterization of the US as queerphobic in the context of comparison to Russia is a nonsense. Both-sidesing this issue is a disgusting affront to the LGBTQ people suffering under Putin.

This is whataboutism. Also US capitalists fund the passage of anti-lgbt laws and hate campaigns globally that create basically pogroms against gay and trans people. So it is ridiculous because the US is much worse to gay and trans people globally.

They also helped illegally and undemocratically dissolve the USSR and created the situation for Putin to exist in in the first place. Who knows, if they didn't interfere maybe the USSR would currently be as progressive as Cuba is on the issue of queer liberation. And Ukrainian and NATO capitalists and Russian capitalists wouldn't be sending conscripts to their deaths.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Legalising same sex marriage is an acceptance of queerness. At no point did I say that the issue was "met" (i.e. settled). In fact, I clearly said "it's not perfect".

Its not whataboutism though. It's a response to the original (flippant) claim that the US is a queerphobic dictatorship.

I have not seen any pogroms against gay or trans people that have been funded or supported by the US government. Maybe going back a ways?

I fucking hate the US government. Just need to mention that. They're a joke and I want to see huge reforms, though I don't hold out much hope.
I hate the Russian government more, and with good reason, especially on the issue of queerphobia. Are you genuinely of the belief that the Russian government is less queerphobic than the US govt? If so, please explain that to me in big letters so that I can understand properly.

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Legalising same sex marriage is an acceptance of queerness

Its not going to get less ridiculous if you keep saying it.

Are you even lgbt? Maybe you should ask some trans leftists what they think of this. Maybe read some Leslie Feinberg.

It's a response to the original (flippant) claim that the US is a queerphobic dictatorship.

It is lmao. It is literally a dictatorship of capital with the most queer people imprisoned per population.

I have not seen any pogroms against gay or trans people that have been funded or supported by the US government. Maybe going back a ways?

Look at every single liberation movements that they mass murdered and you will find countless queer folks. Queer folks have always lead the charge against US imperialism in such movements.

But also, I'm talking about US capitalists lobbying governments and running private campaigns. And the capitalists and the government are in the same bed together.

I fucking hate the US government. Just need to mention that. They're a joke and I want to see huge reforms, though I don't hold out much hope. I hate the Russian government more, and with good reason, especially on the issue of queerphobia. Are you genuinely of the belief that the Russian government is less queerphobic than the US govt? If so, please explain that to me in big letters so that I can understand properly.

Yes, they are more queerphobic, because they kill more queer people globally, and seek to destroy liberation movements globally. Russia might have worse laws but the US has more queer blood on its hands, and is ultimately responsible for a right wing Russian government existing in the first place.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

its not going to get less ridiculous if you keep saying it.

Nor will it get any less true until you refute it.

Are you even LGBT?

Fuck off. I don't know you.

The US is a plutocracy. You need to have a look at the definitions. It's definitely not a dictatorship because there is a regular handover of power. Is it any better than a dictatorship? Up for discussion. But the definitions of words have to matter, and you've got the wrong one.

So no examples of US government-led/supported pogroms against queer people then? Not even a single link to a pogrom which was supported by someone who was supported by an American capitalist who is demonstrably in bed with the American government? That's looking like a pretty weak line of argument at the minute, though I'm open to hearing more.

Your last paragraph is similarly hugely lacking in supporting evidence. It may be true, but at the moment I have to dismiss it utterly since it's just your opinion, and, again, I don't know you.

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

Most of what youre saying isn't worth responding to; for example, claiming that the rich aren't in bed with our politicians lol, but for the audience, some history:

Here the Yankees are admitting to influencing the elections after the coup to keep the communists out of power because the people had previously voted not to dissolve the USSR before the coup and they were afraid of communists regaining control of the government.

Here is a fun article on how the US is responsible for violence targetting lgbt people worldwide Just a tiny sample though

Here is a relevant essay on liberals like you speaking over queer liberation activists.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Except I never made that claim. Is English not your first language? Your comprehension seems a bit below par and I don't want to bully you out of the conversation if that's the case. I could be less idiomatic if that would help?

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

Not even a single link to a pogrom which was supported by someone who was supported by an American capitalist who is demonstrably in bed with the American government?

Stop being a debate pervert.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Is it against some rule of yours to ask for evidence?

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[–] Flaps@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You've been provided what you've asked for now shut up and read it loser

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago

I'm sorry, the claims are not supported by the provided links.

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[–] ThereRisesARedStar@hexbear.net 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Did you click on the links and read them?

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 0 points 3 years ago

Yep. They don't prove the US is a queerphobic dictatorship. Not even close. I don't know what more to say. Maybe you should open your mind a bit? There is some pretty good literature out there on the nature and inherent value of truth that might be illuminating for you.

And one last thing. I'm not a liberal. Not everyone who you argue with is.

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[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Legalising same sex marriage is an acceptance of queerness.

Even if that were true, same sex marriage is legal because of a court decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, not this act.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

The Act nonetheless exists, and as such, proves my point quite handily.

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[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

'So if Saudi Arabia passed the "Homos are humans too, I guess" act, which didn't actually do anything, you would consider this proof that Saudi Arabia is accepting of LGBTQ people?

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

If the act protected queer people, then I would defend Saudi Arabia against comparisons with countries that actively litigate against the existence of queer people, like Russia, yes.
But I would not consider it proof that Saudi was accepting of queer people. For that I would probably look at testimonies of queer people in the country. Like the ones you can see from millions of US citizens.

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[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 16 points 3 years ago (1 child)

You can indeed point to millions of queer US citizens and have them tell you the stories of the discrimination they have faced at the hands of the US government.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

That seems like something which would be infinitely harder to do with Saudi subjects. Probably because they aren't allowed to be gay.

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[–] h3doublehockeysticks@hexbear.net 13 points 3 years ago (1 child)

Using testimony of discrimination as evidence of acceptance is a novel strategy.

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[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 1 point 3 years ago

Glad to have surprised you. And yet, if you actually parse what I'm saying, you'll see that the evidence in providing is a presumed lack of testimony being evidence of a lack of acceptance which indicates a comparison which is favourable to my argument.

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