▲ 420 ▼ Found this out in the wilds of Nova Scotia. Looked like Debian (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by the16bitgamer@lemmy.world to c/linux@lemmy.ml 81 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Floshie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 years ago (2 children) Looks like systemd to me permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 years ago (1 child) that is the exact opposite of systemd: sysvinit you can recognize it by the iconic makefile line in the output, which indicates the setting CONCURRENCY=makefile has been chosen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -19 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah, back in the days before Lennart and RHEL killed linux. Having only run debian for a job interview - where I had to learn systemd and I fucking crushed it, woo - I would never have picked out that makefile line. Kudos. Having run automation in 2002 based on package triggers, makefile, cron and awk, I completely approve of using makefiles to orchestrate startup. That's actually genius. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm still furious they intentionally broke CentOS. And then had the audacity to emulate SmallFloppy Glasspane and bake some spyware into Fedora. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the first I've heard about spyware in Fedora. Care to elaborate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I love how I compliment someone and get downvotes. Ha ha ha ha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It booted into a GUI afterwards, and had grub installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) You would have seen Grub way before this screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 18 points 2 years ago It did and it went by so fast I couldn't take a pic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe he did, and took a picture later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You time travel like a wizard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 79 points 2 years ago (1 child) that is the exact opposite of systemd: sysvinit you can recognize it by the iconic makefile line in the output, which indicates the setting CONCURRENCY=makefile has been chosen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -19 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah, back in the days before Lennart and RHEL killed linux. Having only run debian for a job interview - where I had to learn systemd and I fucking crushed it, woo - I would never have picked out that makefile line. Kudos. Having run automation in 2002 based on package triggers, makefile, cron and awk, I completely approve of using makefiles to orchestrate startup. That's actually genius. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm still furious they intentionally broke CentOS. And then had the audacity to emulate SmallFloppy Glasspane and bake some spyware into Fedora. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the first I've heard about spyware in Fedora. Care to elaborate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I love how I compliment someone and get downvotes. Ha ha ha ha. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -19 points 2 years ago (2 children) Ah, back in the days before Lennart and RHEL killed linux. Having only run debian for a job interview - where I had to learn systemd and I fucking crushed it, woo - I would never have picked out that makefile line. Kudos. Having run automation in 2002 based on package triggers, makefile, cron and awk, I completely approve of using makefiles to orchestrate startup. That's actually genius. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm still furious they intentionally broke CentOS. And then had the audacity to emulate SmallFloppy Glasspane and bake some spyware into Fedora. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the first I've heard about spyware in Fedora. Care to elaborate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I love how I compliment someone and get downvotes. Ha ha ha ha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'm still furious they intentionally broke CentOS. And then had the audacity to emulate SmallFloppy Glasspane and bake some spyware into Fedora. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the first I've heard about spyware in Fedora. Care to elaborate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lengau@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the first I've heard about spyware in Fedora. Care to elaborate? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kindness@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago https://www.itpro.com/software/linux/fedora-workstation-devs-face-community-backlash-over-plans-to-collect-telemetry-data Anonymous data is useless. Most any data can be de-anonymized. And tracking data is always to "improve services" until the companies are offered significant sums for it.. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Probably telemetry software. Basically mandated for any publicly traded software company these days. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dan@upvote.au 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) The thing is that telemetry can be useful... bug reports let the developer know which bugs occur the most, feature logging lets the developer know which features are used the most (and thus what they might want to focus on adding new functionality to), etc. It's become a dirty word since a lot of companies have telemetry that's way too intrusive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yep! I understand, which is why I was clarifying for the previous commenter. As for if telemetry is morally justified, or if we should go back to old fashioned bug reports and some sort of upload system that requires direct user buy-in as the payment for privacy at the cost of reliability, mobility, and scalability is a discussion for someone else haha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago I love how I compliment someone and get downvotes. Ha ha ha ha. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 13 points 2 years ago (1 child) It booted into a GUI afterwards, and had grub installed. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) You would have seen Grub way before this screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 18 points 2 years ago It did and it went by so fast I couldn't take a pic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe he did, and took a picture later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You time travel like a wizard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (2 children) You would have seen Grub way before this screen. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 18 points 2 years ago It did and it went by so fast I couldn't take a pic. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe he did, and took a picture later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You time travel like a wizard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the16bitgamer@lemmy.world [S] 18 points 2 years ago It did and it went by so fast I couldn't take a pic. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Maybe he did, and took a picture later. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You time travel like a wizard. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago You time travel like a wizard. permalink fedilink source parent
