Four people were found dead and seven others were injured in a stabbing rampage across multiple areas in Rockford, Illinois, on Wednesday afternoon, police say, and a suspect is in custody.

A 15-year-old girl, a 63-year-old woman, a 49-year-old man, and a 22-year-old man were killed in the incident and five others who were injured were transported to local hospitals with “serious injuries,” the Rockford Police Department said in a news release Wednesday evening.

Five people were injured in the city of Rockford and two people were injured in the jurisdiction of Winnebago County, Rockford police spokesperson Michelle Marcomb told CNN.

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[–] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Remind them that the same day as Sandy Hook there was a mass stabbing attack in a Chinese school. No one died. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

Knives are less deadly than guns. These are all tragedies but they are not comparable in outcome.

Anecdotes aren’t science, though. So rely on the science that says guns are dangerous and don’t make us safer. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/

Browse around gun owners, you won’t be happy.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Nah, my go-to is the 2019 Dayton OH shooting.

    Guy opens fire in a busy shopping district in front of police officers and still kills nine people and injures 17 others. From the first shot he fired until the police fatally shot him was 32 seconds. Twenty-six casualties in the best-possible scenario for police response.

    GUNS. ARE. THE. FUCKING. PROBLEM.

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  • [+] -15 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Well, in a mass event, knives are overall less deadly because of the proximity requirement. But I’ll disagree that the knife is less deadly, when it can be employed correctly, because it can do much more damage to a single target.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This isn’t a point. Like think back on what you just said - it’s literally “well if you’re very close to someone a knife is pretty deadly”

    Yeah well I guess that’s why guns are deadlier because you don’t have to be close and can stab lots of people with your high velocity mini-knives.

    Every time some tactical pedant will come out of their bunker to educate us on how ackshuyally navy seals prefer knives to guns because they like the smell of blood and every time it’s worthless

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you think I’m someone else. Maybe calm down and just take a comment for a comment

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think you made a nonsense false equivalency about guns and knives and then go hurt when it was called nonsense

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I’m sorry you are upset. It was not my intention.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not upset, you’re just wrong and persistent. If people do get upset at your bad faith arguments, that’s ok in my book. Guns are a plague and a moral wrong in society and apologists have no place. It’s ok to be mad at people arguing for bad things!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’m not saying guns are good. They should all be melted.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Literally nothing you have said other than this conveys that. You’re sending the very opposite message, and that’s on you, not us.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You’re welcome to read what you want to hear, you won’t believe anything I say anyway. You’ve made up your mind.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I’ve made up my mind based on what you said. Don’t pin this on anyone but yourself. Read the room - you’re not misunderstood. You’re understood perfectly. This type of slippery, gaslighting bullshittery doesn’t work anymore my guy.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tell me what you think I think if you’re so sure you’re right, and then I’ll let you know if that’s what I think or if it’s what you’ve created. Then we can see who is gaslighting whom.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don’t need to tell you when I can read your words.

    You’re acting like you weren’t all over this thread saying dumb shit like “I can shoot you 35 times in the foot” and “knives can be deadlier than guns” honestly shameful that you’re pretending like you’re aggrieved here

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago

    I think you’re missing the context of these messages because you’re only focusing on my comment.

    I’m not feeling aggrieved. You think I feel that way. I just think it’s hilarious that you’re overthinking this.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are 2 types of apologies. One where the person takes responsibility and apologizes for the offending action and one where the person takes no responsibility and instead apologizes for how people reacted to the offending action.

    The latter puts the onus on the victim, making it less of an apology and more of an additional offending action.

    Something to consider.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    This guy survived 35 stab wounds. I've never heard of someone surviving 35 gunshot wounds.

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  • https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/warmington-miracle-man-survives-30-bullet-wounds

    Just saying, the human body is tough as long as certain things aren't damaged and medical science WILL keep you alive from trauma if you can get to a hospital quick enough.

    The danger of guns isn't that bullets are more "damaging" then blades.

    It's that they can penetrate the skull and sternum easier and they can do it from a distance. Knives have their own advantages but they're just not comparable in that regard.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are rappers who have been shot hundreds of times

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  • [+] -9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can shoot you 35 times in the foot and you’ll live.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Except by 35 shots, there would only be a stump and I would bleed out and die.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Guns are more dangerous almost entirely because of range, in this scenario. If you get stabbed 35 times in the foot you will also be left with a stump and will bleed out.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, maybe using a small caliber with no expansion, but anything above like .32 acp is going to make a way bigger exit hole than entry hole. Getting stabbed is objectively way better for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

    This is a silly but entertaining conversation, so I will continue the circlejerk.

    You must be thinking of a small knife, as well. Most knives, especially the ones typically best for stabbing, are large. A butcher knife is as wide as most peoples foot. A hunting knife, or a typical boot knife, is maybe have as wide. Someone's foot could be sliced off in like three or four stabs, at most.

    I agree that getting shot once is going to be worse than getting stabbed once, most of the time, but we were talking about 35 times. I think we could just agree that your foot would be completely fucked and stumpy either way.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    You can't stab with a butcher knife. It's for chopping. And if you tried to chop someone 32 times in the foot, I think they could probably pretty easily move their foot away each time since that's a much slower motion.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Agreed, but that correct employment takes a lot of practice and training. I wonder if there's been studies on the level of "damage" vs the perpetrators training/experience in these mass casualty events.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I don’t think that a person who got to the point where they wanted to murder a room full of people would have the planning skills and patience to do it with a knife.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't put it past a human to get to that point.... Especially in the society we've built. And it's possible they had it as a hobby, or are able to suffer through the training, practice, and planning without getting discovered. But likely they'd go with an easier option if available, like a gun, or an ied.

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