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[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (4 children) Given how "easily" the bridge fell... Why aren't ships that size required to 100% be escorted by tugs??? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) At the risk of sounding too Clarke and Dawe, it is very rare that a ship loses power and control, and somewhere it could hit something important, and hits that thing, and the thing is apparently so fragile that it just falls to pieces. It's been there for 46 years, and the Port of Baltimore currently sees an average of 53 ships in and out per month, so about 3.5 big ships under the bridge per day. That's a lot of passages over the years without incident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) and the thing is apparently so fragile that it just falls to pieces. I mean, it just got hit with a hundred thousand ton hammer. That'll do a pretty good number on most structures, I imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) For a structure that normally has these ships pass under it every day, it sure as hell should have had bollards to protect the piers against such an impact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago bollards made out of what and in what shape? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) no, this is you speaking my language. we do 'risk assessments' and yeah I guess it's a case of severity*likelihood, where risk is never zero. but, no matter what, when the risks 'line up' into a failure mode, holy shit is that failure catastrophic. crazy terrible regardless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't know what the likelihood of this would be, but it's definitely miniscule. I suspect you'd still need safeguards to reduce the risk to an acceptable level, but I'm not sure what exactly you can do once a boat has failed and is going to make imminent impact. At that point all you can do is mitigate the fatalities and evacuate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The bridge fell off permalink fedilink source parent [–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cause then we would have to hire more people to tug all those ships in and it would be less efficient. Not very profit margin of you to suggest that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) What's the profit margin of the port with the river blocked? And of the city with a major road cut? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago The shareholders want their returns NOW! permalink fedilink source parent [–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Decades of stability pales in comparison to next quarters margins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The company is about to find out that a quarter of high margins pales in comparison to the lawsuits awaiting them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] asret@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Politics. "More tug jobs? Not on my watch!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) And money. "Why do I need to pay for your safety" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] asret@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This'll be the real reason. My comment was just unhelpful and inappropriate - a bad joke aimed at puritanical Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think you should feel bad (unless the comment is edited and I'm misunderstanding) permalink fedilink source parent [–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Why aren't ships that size required to 100% be escorted by tugs??? They likely were, but there are limits on how fast even a group of tugs can influence a ship many times their size/weight/mass. The laws of physics still apply. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 21 points 2 years ago (3 children) At the risk of sounding too Clarke and Dawe, it is very rare that a ship loses power and control, and somewhere it could hit something important, and hits that thing, and the thing is apparently so fragile that it just falls to pieces. It's been there for 46 years, and the Port of Baltimore currently sees an average of 53 ships in and out per month, so about 3.5 big ships under the bridge per day. That's a lot of passages over the years without incident. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) and the thing is apparently so fragile that it just falls to pieces. I mean, it just got hit with a hundred thousand ton hammer. That'll do a pretty good number on most structures, I imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) For a structure that normally has these ships pass under it every day, it sure as hell should have had bollards to protect the piers against such an impact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago bollards made out of what and in what shape? permalink fedilink source parent [–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) no, this is you speaking my language. we do 'risk assessments' and yeah I guess it's a case of severity*likelihood, where risk is never zero. but, no matter what, when the risks 'line up' into a failure mode, holy shit is that failure catastrophic. crazy terrible regardless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't know what the likelihood of this would be, but it's definitely miniscule. I suspect you'd still need safeguards to reduce the risk to an acceptable level, but I'm not sure what exactly you can do once a boat has failed and is going to make imminent impact. At that point all you can do is mitigate the fatalities and evacuate. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The bridge fell off permalink fedilink source parent
[–] tal@lemmy.today 22 points 2 years ago (1 child) and the thing is apparently so fragile that it just falls to pieces. I mean, it just got hit with a hundred thousand ton hammer. That'll do a pretty good number on most structures, I imagine. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) For a structure that normally has these ships pass under it every day, it sure as hell should have had bollards to protect the piers against such an impact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago bollards made out of what and in what shape? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Liz@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) For a structure that normally has these ships pass under it every day, it sure as hell should have had bollards to protect the piers against such an impact. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago bollards made out of what and in what shape? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 6 points 2 years ago bollards made out of what and in what shape? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) no, this is you speaking my language. we do 'risk assessments' and yeah I guess it's a case of severity*likelihood, where risk is never zero. but, no matter what, when the risks 'line up' into a failure mode, holy shit is that failure catastrophic. crazy terrible regardless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't know what the likelihood of this would be, but it's definitely miniscule. I suspect you'd still need safeguards to reduce the risk to an acceptable level, but I'm not sure what exactly you can do once a boat has failed and is going to make imminent impact. At that point all you can do is mitigate the fatalities and evacuate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I don't know what the likelihood of this would be, but it's definitely miniscule. I suspect you'd still need safeguards to reduce the risk to an acceptable level, but I'm not sure what exactly you can do once a boat has failed and is going to make imminent impact. At that point all you can do is mitigate the fatalities and evacuate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago The bridge fell off permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 15 points 2 years ago (1 child) Cause then we would have to hire more people to tug all those ships in and it would be less efficient. Not very profit margin of you to suggest that. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) What's the profit margin of the port with the river blocked? And of the city with a major road cut? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago The shareholders want their returns NOW! permalink fedilink source parent [–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Decades of stability pales in comparison to next quarters margins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The company is about to find out that a quarter of high margins pales in comparison to the lawsuits awaiting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children) What's the profit margin of the port with the river blocked? And of the city with a major road cut? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago The shareholders want their returns NOW! permalink fedilink source parent [–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Decades of stability pales in comparison to next quarters margins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The company is about to find out that a quarter of high margins pales in comparison to the lawsuits awaiting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 2 years ago The shareholders want their returns NOW! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] towerful@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Decades of stability pales in comparison to next quarters margins permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The company is about to find out that a quarter of high margins pales in comparison to the lawsuits awaiting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The company is about to find out that a quarter of high margins pales in comparison to the lawsuits awaiting them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] asret@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) Politics. "More tug jobs? Not on my watch!" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) And money. "Why do I need to pay for your safety" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] asret@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This'll be the real reason. My comment was just unhelpful and inappropriate - a bad joke aimed at puritanical Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think you should feel bad (unless the comment is edited and I'm misunderstanding) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) And money. "Why do I need to pay for your safety" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] asret@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This'll be the real reason. My comment was just unhelpful and inappropriate - a bad joke aimed at puritanical Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think you should feel bad (unless the comment is edited and I'm misunderstanding) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] asret@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) This'll be the real reason. My comment was just unhelpful and inappropriate - a bad joke aimed at puritanical Americans. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think you should feel bad (unless the comment is edited and I'm misunderstanding) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I actually don't disagree with anything you said. I don't think you should feel bad (unless the comment is edited and I'm misunderstanding) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) Why aren't ships that size required to 100% be escorted by tugs??? They likely were, but there are limits on how fast even a group of tugs can influence a ship many times their size/weight/mass. The laws of physics still apply. permalink fedilink source parent