▲ 502 ▼ Video: Baltimore bridge struck by boat and collapses (streamable.com) submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by Breezy@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 92 comments fedilink hide all child comments Here is a link to another post with an article. https://lemmy.world/post/13553444
[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) Baltimore Truthers, already? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago (3 children) I took it as less of "gubment did it" and more "holy shit that bridge seems shoddy as fuck" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) A container ship like that weighs more than the bridge tower it hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) "Bump" is a galactically humble description of a collision with a container ship weighing nearly 200 million pounds. To illustrate this more cleanly, the momentum of a loaded Boeing 787 flying near top speed is 17,760,000 N.s. For this ship going at just 10 km/h, the momentum is about 260,600,000 N.s. In other words, the bridge would need to be able to sustain the equivalent of 14 9/11 attacks, simultaneously. The way to tolerate incidents like this is to add multiple points of isolated failure so that even if one point is catastrophically destroyed, only a portion of the bridge goes down while the rest remains intact. I don't think there are many, if any, structures on the planet that can withstand that much force permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Saying the bridge was bumped by the cargo ship is like saying someone got bumped in the head after having a brick thrown at them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That was hardly a bump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The crazy thing is it isn't even the bridge being shoddy. It's terrifyingly simple physics. High mass objects moving slowly and low mass objects moving quickly are both incredibly destructive. I'm not entirely sure how you build safeguards against a collision like that. It would need military grade protection -- assuming even the military has something which could withstand that. Think of it like this. A bridge is designed to distribute weight and force and stand up. It isn't designed to take a hit like this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 23 points 2 years ago (3 children) I took it as less of "gubment did it" and more "holy shit that bridge seems shoddy as fuck" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) A container ship like that weighs more than the bridge tower it hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) "Bump" is a galactically humble description of a collision with a container ship weighing nearly 200 million pounds. To illustrate this more cleanly, the momentum of a loaded Boeing 787 flying near top speed is 17,760,000 N.s. For this ship going at just 10 km/h, the momentum is about 260,600,000 N.s. In other words, the bridge would need to be able to sustain the equivalent of 14 9/11 attacks, simultaneously. The way to tolerate incidents like this is to add multiple points of isolated failure so that even if one point is catastrophically destroyed, only a portion of the bridge goes down while the rest remains intact. I don't think there are many, if any, structures on the planet that can withstand that much force permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Saying the bridge was bumped by the cargo ship is like saying someone got bumped in the head after having a brick thrown at them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That was hardly a bump. permalink fedilink source parent [–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The crazy thing is it isn't even the bridge being shoddy. It's terrifyingly simple physics. High mass objects moving slowly and low mass objects moving quickly are both incredibly destructive. I'm not entirely sure how you build safeguards against a collision like that. It would need military grade protection -- assuming even the military has something which could withstand that. Think of it like this. A bridge is designed to distribute weight and force and stand up. It isn't designed to take a hit like this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 21 points 2 years ago (1 child) A container ship like that weighs more than the bridge tower it hit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) "Bump" is a galactically humble description of a collision with a container ship weighing nearly 200 million pounds. To illustrate this more cleanly, the momentum of a loaded Boeing 787 flying near top speed is 17,760,000 N.s. For this ship going at just 10 km/h, the momentum is about 260,600,000 N.s. In other words, the bridge would need to be able to sustain the equivalent of 14 9/11 attacks, simultaneously. The way to tolerate incidents like this is to add multiple points of isolated failure so that even if one point is catastrophically destroyed, only a portion of the bridge goes down while the rest remains intact. I don't think there are many, if any, structures on the planet that can withstand that much force permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Saying the bridge was bumped by the cargo ship is like saying someone got bumped in the head after having a brick thrown at them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That was hardly a bump. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] wetnoodle@sopuli.xyz -5 points 2 years ago (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) "Bump" is a galactically humble description of a collision with a container ship weighing nearly 200 million pounds. To illustrate this more cleanly, the momentum of a loaded Boeing 787 flying near top speed is 17,760,000 N.s. For this ship going at just 10 km/h, the momentum is about 260,600,000 N.s. In other words, the bridge would need to be able to sustain the equivalent of 14 9/11 attacks, simultaneously. The way to tolerate incidents like this is to add multiple points of isolated failure so that even if one point is catastrophically destroyed, only a portion of the bridge goes down while the rest remains intact. I don't think there are many, if any, structures on the planet that can withstand that much force permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Saying the bridge was bumped by the cargo ship is like saying someone got bumped in the head after having a brick thrown at them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That was hardly a bump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 26 points 2 years ago (2 children) "Bump" is a galactically humble description of a collision with a container ship weighing nearly 200 million pounds. To illustrate this more cleanly, the momentum of a loaded Boeing 787 flying near top speed is 17,760,000 N.s. For this ship going at just 10 km/h, the momentum is about 260,600,000 N.s. In other words, the bridge would need to be able to sustain the equivalent of 14 9/11 attacks, simultaneously. The way to tolerate incidents like this is to add multiple points of isolated failure so that even if one point is catastrophically destroyed, only a portion of the bridge goes down while the rest remains intact. I don't think there are many, if any, structures on the planet that can withstand that much force permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago This right here. You'd need a frankly ridiculous amount of solid stainless steel to build pylons for seaway protection, and that's for low speed impacts. Kinetic energy increases with the square of velocity! I'm not a sailor it anything, but I suppose requiring tugboats for all harbor travel of shops over a gross weight might be a good thing. Makes more jobs, at least. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bbuez@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Also in designing such a resilient bridge, don't forget one of the design requirements is to allow access to a busy shipping port permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Saying the bridge was bumped by the cargo ship is like saying someone got bumped in the head after having a brick thrown at them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago That was hardly a bump. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The crazy thing is it isn't even the bridge being shoddy. It's terrifyingly simple physics. High mass objects moving slowly and low mass objects moving quickly are both incredibly destructive. I'm not entirely sure how you build safeguards against a collision like that. It would need military grade protection -- assuming even the military has something which could withstand that. Think of it like this. A bridge is designed to distribute weight and force and stand up. It isn't designed to take a hit like this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago They are the same thing. permalink fedilink source parent