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Democrats who attack the rich do better in elections. The party should take notice (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Assuming that we'll have fair elections in 4 years if Trump wins may prove to be one of the worst mistakes this country's voters have ever made.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    When was the last time there was a fair election? Both parties conventions cram the most unpopular candidates down your throats, and always slowly sliding to the right.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just because something is bad doesn't mean it can't get much worse. Look at elections in Russia and China if you need inspiration.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You think it can get worse than an 80 year old Zionist vs an 80 year old fascist?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Yes, I literally gave you 2 glaring examples that you blatantly ignored. Since you clearly aren't arguing in good faith at this point ill proceed to ignore you.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Hate to break it to you but Chinese citizens generally live better than we do. They have affordable housing, healthcare and food.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Thats nice. We're talking about free elections here.

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  • [–] -5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Actually, we were talking about American elections, and you tried to change the subject to China and Russia.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Because you seemed to have trouble wrapping your head around how much worse "unfair elections" could be, and then you still ignored those examples and tried to claim US elections couldn't possibly get any worse.

    Absolutely absurd statement. And you still cant seem to wrap your head around why that is.

    I know i said I'd ignore you but you just can't seem to stop yourself from throwing more of these shitty disingenuous arguments my way.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    ..?

    You currently do not have fair elections. I didn't say it couldn't get worse.

    Absolutely absurd statement. And you still cant seem to wrap your head around why that is.

    I never said it couldn't get any worse lol.

    I know i said I'd ignore you but you just can't seem to stop yourself from throwing more of these shitty disingenuous arguments my way.

    You can ignore me all you want, ignorance is bliss. I'm not arguing lol. America, demonstrably doesn't have free and fair elections. You are trying to deflect by talking about Russia and China, when your country is literally already in the same boat. Nobody wants Biden or Trump.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Go argue with yourself then:

    "You think it can get worse than an 80 year old Zionist vs an 80 year old fascist?"

    And leave me out of it.

    You can ignore me all you want, ignorance is bliss. I'm not arguing lol. America, demonstrably doesn't have free and fair elections. You are trying to deflect by talking about Russia and China, when your country is literally already in the same boat. Nobody wants Biden or Trump.

    This entire thread started with the insinuation that we could get rid of them in 4 years. I'm saying that if things get worse we won't even have that choice in the future. This is not a difficult concept to grasp. I provide China and Russia as simple examples to get it through your hear and you then claim I'm changing the subject. You're the one wallowing in your own ignorance.

    Hopefully I've cleared all this up for you now and you can let me take a shit in peace.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Are you ignoring me or slandering me, make up your mind.

    THE US, RUSSIA AND CHINA: NONE OF THESE HAVE FREE ELECTIONS.

    Do you understand what I'm saying now? We don't need to bring up the other two, while we're discussing America.

    Maybe proof read your angy dump posts before hitting submit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    We have a 2 choices, they have 1. 2 is choices are better than 1, even if both choices are shitty. One shitty candidate still has to compete with the other shitty candidate to win votes. This is better than 1 shitty candidate with full reign and no accountability.

    Perhaps you dislike both candidates equally, and have somehow decided that you will always hate both candidates equally, now and in the future. In that context, perhaps you think you are making a concrete point.

    But I am not you. I'd prefer Biden over Trump, and I can vote for one over the other. If i couldn't, that would be worse, for me, and many millions of other voters who don't share your equal/perpetual disdain for both candidates.

    So yes, it can get worse. If not for you, then for others, who are not you. If you still don't understand the source of disagreement here, God have mercy on you.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Maybe this question will help you further understand;

    Which candidate do you vote for if you're against genocide?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Depends. What magical being comes down from the Heavens to end genocide in this world if I don't vote?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you don't get a choice? Hmmmm what does that remind me of?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Reminds me of having more than one issue to vote about.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So you're pro genocide lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You failed on your little trap but went for it anyway. Nice.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Not really.. If you're voting for Biden, who is providing the weapons for a genocide, you are pro genocide lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And I asked how not voting for him this cycle would stop genocide and you doubled down on your whole "see voting doesn't matter so you're not any better off than Russia / China" quip.

    So all things being equal I consider the thousands of other issues in this world that might be affected by this election, and somehow that means I wants to murder thousands of innocent people.

    How about this, if you keep replying to me with bullshit like this instead of spending your time doing something constructive to stop genocide, you support genocide.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You don't think me telling Americans their country is aiding a genocide isn't anti-genocide? lol. Interesting take.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Therefore all Americans are genocidal maniacs. Ok dude!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    Anyone voting for a candidate aiding a genocide is pro genocide.. Yes. That is how logic works.

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