▲ 386 ▼ Humanity will shrink in the future: 97% of countries will experience negative growth by 2100 (english.elpais.com) submitted 2 years ago by boem@lemmy.world to c/world@lemmy.world 114 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 61 points 2 years ago (3 children) What is the bad news? permalink fedilink source hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 2 years ago* (4 children) The economic system built on infinite growth will also collapse and leave most of those people in inescapable cut throat poverty and starvation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago* (3 children) We won’t starve if we eat the rich. Once they are gone, we can build a new economic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) We'll be lucky if it goes that smooth. Usually the whole thing at least partially collapses, followed by is a few hundred years of dark age to sort things out and then rebuilding starts with a new system in place for another go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Personally, I’m counting on Zephram Cochran flagging down some Vulcans to help us out. Rebuilding should take 100 years tops permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* The problem with cannibalism is that once you develop a taste for it, it becomes difficult to stop permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Last time they did it in africa... well I'm sure the following starvation was just a coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 18 points 2 years ago Someone wants people to believe we need to grow... The environmental impact says otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago They won't care. The investors can't think past next quarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago So you're saying we should sharpen the national razor? permalink fedilink source parent [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Current difficulties caring for elderly will continue to get worse, as the population of working age people continues to shrink faster than the population of elderly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We could do like Logan's run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) True. Exemplify the YoLo lifestyle and go out in a big celebration when you’re at the top of your game permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago More submarines for the rich! permalink fedilink source parent [–] 00x0xx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Only bad for nations that are shrinking too fast, like some nordic nations and South Korea. But most other nations will benefit from the less population growth rate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 68 points 2 years ago* (4 children) The economic system built on infinite growth will also collapse and leave most of those people in inescapable cut throat poverty and starvation permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago* (3 children) We won’t starve if we eat the rich. Once they are gone, we can build a new economic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) We'll be lucky if it goes that smooth. Usually the whole thing at least partially collapses, followed by is a few hundred years of dark age to sort things out and then rebuilding starts with a new system in place for another go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Personally, I’m counting on Zephram Cochran flagging down some Vulcans to help us out. Rebuilding should take 100 years tops permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* The problem with cannibalism is that once you develop a taste for it, it becomes difficult to stop permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Last time they did it in africa... well I'm sure the following starvation was just a coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 18 points 2 years ago Someone wants people to believe we need to grow... The environmental impact says otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent [–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago They won't care. The investors can't think past next quarter. permalink fedilink source parent [–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago So you're saying we should sharpen the national razor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 30 points 2 years ago* (3 children) We won’t starve if we eat the rich. Once they are gone, we can build a new economic system. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) We'll be lucky if it goes that smooth. Usually the whole thing at least partially collapses, followed by is a few hundred years of dark age to sort things out and then rebuilding starts with a new system in place for another go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Personally, I’m counting on Zephram Cochran flagging down some Vulcans to help us out. Rebuilding should take 100 years tops permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* The problem with cannibalism is that once you develop a taste for it, it becomes difficult to stop permalink fedilink source parent [–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Last time they did it in africa... well I'm sure the following starvation was just a coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) We'll be lucky if it goes that smooth. Usually the whole thing at least partially collapses, followed by is a few hundred years of dark age to sort things out and then rebuilding starts with a new system in place for another go. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Personally, I’m counting on Zephram Cochran flagging down some Vulcans to help us out. Rebuilding should take 100 years tops permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Personally, I’m counting on Zephram Cochran flagging down some Vulcans to help us out. Rebuilding should take 100 years tops permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) What if Cochran turns out to be a drunk disillusioned Musk in this timeline? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wasn’t he kinda in that timeline? But he had Lilly to keep him in line, and I wouldn’t want to cross her! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He was a selfish drunk, but he had the spirit where it counts. Musk has no spirit, hes just a man child. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago Hmmm… true… I dunno. I think Cochran really changed his tune when he met the Vulcans and it was supposed to be symbolic of the change humanity would undergo. But would Musk undergo the same change? Eh, you’re right: I doubt he would be so altruistic under the same circumstances. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago The worse the world becomes, the more I wonder if Posadas was right. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syntha@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago* The problem with cannibalism is that once you develop a taste for it, it becomes difficult to stop permalink fedilink source parent
[–] deafboy@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Last time they did it in africa... well I'm sure the following starvation was just a coincidence. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DieguiTux8623@feddit.it 18 points 2 years ago Someone wants people to believe we need to grow... The environmental impact says otherwise. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago They won't care. The investors can't think past next quarter. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago So you're saying we should sharpen the national razor? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Current difficulties caring for elderly will continue to get worse, as the population of working age people continues to shrink faster than the population of elderly permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We could do like Logan's run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) True. Exemplify the YoLo lifestyle and go out in a big celebration when you’re at the top of your game permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago More submarines for the rich! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) We could do like Logan's run permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) True. Exemplify the YoLo lifestyle and go out in a big celebration when you’re at the top of your game permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago More submarines for the rich! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) True. Exemplify the YoLo lifestyle and go out in a big celebration when you’re at the top of your game permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago More submarines for the rich! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago More submarines for the rich! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 00x0xx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago Only bad for nations that are shrinking too fast, like some nordic nations and South Korea. But most other nations will benefit from the less population growth rate. permalink fedilink source parent