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Signs at Spanish beaches warn English-speaking tourists to stay away (www.independent.co.uk)
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The threat of rock falls, water contamination and jellyfish have been used to deter visitors from Mallorcan beaches

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[–] 142 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I think it funny that there’s an assumption in this thread that these posters are aimed at U.S. tourists when visitors from the U.K. outnumber the Americans by a factor of six to one.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    People in this threat also don't seem to realize how the island of Mallorca is full of foreigners, even some just living there, but nobody speaking Spanish. In fact it's probably easier to get around with German or English in the touristic parts of Mallorca.

    This is not about some poor US tourist who wasn't good enough in school back home to learn Spanish. It's about huge crowds of rowdy UK and German tourists who go to "Malle" every year for partying and getting piss drunk without any consideration of the locals.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    To be fair, they spent years encouraging that kind of tourism and are no annoyed that they've got to popular. As the article points out it represents 75% of their economic activity so they'd be buggered if everyone just said, fine we'll go somewhere else then.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Nah, not really. They want to change from party tourism, which is concentrated on one small area to a more distributed culture tourism. Those tourist spend twice as much and not only in the big clubs but on small shops all around the island. So they have a plan and it makes sense.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Sounds like the role of the government to shape the tourist visa availability

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Spain is in the EU, so no visa necessary for tourists.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Sounds like the government needs to reconsider that

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So Spain should leave the EU?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Obviously not. Why would the only options be zero tourism controls or leave the EU?

    So many people here can only consider black and white, it's such limited thinking.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    How do you "control" tourism?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Visas, residency/rental restrictions, curfews, noise ordinances, non local surcharges, resident member beaches (membership fulfilled by residency), or a hundred other things

    Edit: example: in palm springs, you cannot have any outdoor music or elevated noise as a non resident.

    If you do, you can be evicted from your rental same day

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Visas only work for UK tourists side they aren't in the EU; Spain and Germany are both in the Schengen Zone so there isn't even a border to check for passports. Also, because Spain is in the EU, it may not be legal for them to provide pricing that discriminates between locals and EU tourists.

    You can try to restrict the rental supply or make the area not as fun for tourists, but you can't just put up a border unless you want to leave the EU.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Good thing I didn't say "put up a border" then huh 🤔.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    How do visas work without a border?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hotels and rentals require they are filled out, either there, or ahead of time.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Visas are the permission a government gives to non-citizens to enter their borders. This competency has been given to the EU to manage as part of the Schengen Area, which is a visa-free zone for all EU citizens.

    How is a group of towns going to start restricting access to their communities without seeing up a border?

    And why would a German doesn't need a visa to visit Spain, why would a hotel ask for something they don't have?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children)

    When I, as an American, arrive at a hotel or rental in Mexico, I must present, or at that time process a visa entry form. That and my passport are logged by the provider.

    One can assume they file that form with the government.

    If I try to book further stays, beyond the allowable limit, the booking would be blocked, and I would be in trouble with the government / informed I need to leave promptly.

    Think more flexibly dude, other places are already handling this.

    Because you are so rigid in your thinking, let's drop the word "visa" and construct a new idea (uh oh!) And call it a "tourism allowance"

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    When I, as an American, arrive at a hotel or rental in Mexico...

    When you cross a border.

    When you, as an American, travel to Florida, do you need a visa?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Hardly the same..the Schengen zone is not a "United States".

    Further, I'm all set here cause you clearly want to just jerk off on the idea that existing law doesn't allow for improvements on the system, when I'm clearly discussing moderate, wellness based changes to particularly impacted areas.

    If this is how everyone involved.thinks, enjoy your puking tourists in silence

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    What is the Schengen Area and what does it do?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 years ago*

    That’s not how the EU works. The EU allows freedom of movement from any member state to another. You don’t need a visa, or even a passport, to go across borders in the EU; you just go. Be it for tourism or working.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago

    One time I went to a bar in Mallorca, asked "dos cervezas, por favor" and the guy went: "Was? Zwei bier??"

    It was surreal to realise that nobody there actually spoke any Spanish. Outside of the tourist traps Mallorca still has some authenticity here and there but it's like the locals just hide in the shadows for the most part.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Are you counting by individuals or by volume?

    (sorry)

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain

    No worries. There’s a chart on the Wikipedia page above. The U.K. boasts over 18 million tourists per year while the U.S. is just over 3 million.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm surprised there's that many Americans tbh, I wouldn't have thought it would be on their radar, I think of Mallorca as a package holiday destination for Western Europeans.

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