Hatred often makes you want to hurt people, but people hurt peope in the name of greed more often, and not only with less potential for guilt, but is often the cause of delusional accolades and reassurance both from within oneself and from others.

Hypothetical:

A CEO lays off 10,000 employees that helped that company succeed, solely to increase earnings and not because the company is hurting, not only seriously hurting 9,997 people, but causing 3 to commit suicide.

A bumpkin gets in a fight with someone he hates the melanin of because he's a moron and kills them.

Who did more damage to humanity that day? They're both, I want to say evil but evil is subjective, they're both highly antisocial, knowingly harmful behaviors, yet one correctly sends you to prison for a long time if not forever, while the other, far more premeditated and quite literally calculated act, is literally rewarded and partied about. Jim Kramer gives you a shout out on tv, good fucking times amirite!

Edit: and this felt relevant to post after someone tried to lecture me about equating layoffs to murder.

"Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don't care if they kill people — as long as it's profitable."

https://jacobin.com/2020/01/corporations-profit-values-murder-culture-boeing

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[–] [S] 34 points 3 years ago (2 children)

"discentivise productivity."

This right here. The jargon they use to rationalize cruelty. "growth or die" capitalism says, yet that same growth/metastasis capitalism demands is ironically choking the human race right now.

Growth is destroying our habitat. What we need is equilibrium.

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  • [–] -4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Is the sustainable packaging company I work for, which is doubling in size every 3 years, "choking the human race?"

    This is a silly mindset, man.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    The human population is not doubling in size every three years. For profits to increase at this rate, at some point human consumption needs to increase, which is then inherently unsustainable, no matter what you are using to produce packages.

    Besides, you are hired explicitly because you produce more value than you are paid, via wages and benefits. Though I admit, an argument can be made that this is not an inherently bad thing.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I am aware of why I am hired. It is not a bad thing whatsoever.

    You're thinking growth=consumption of resources and that is false. Growth of the service industry, for instance, is not tied to physical resources at all. My industry actually reduces net consumption when it grows.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Even if consumption does not increase, chasing after infinite growth, on a finite planet, is not sustainable, which is my point.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago

    I just showed you how this is a stupid argument.

    It's one of those things that sounds reasonable, but is nonsense. It's like saying "we're not a democracy, we're a Republic" or some other "gotcha."

    Don't build your worldview off of memes.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

    Im not on the "I hate capitalism train". However yeah I understand workplace relations between employee and employer overall is in the toilet.

    As of now, the best solution I can come up with is refusing to work for morons. The more that do this, the harder it will be for morons to find staff and run their operations.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Refusing to work for morons will have you choosing between the "good" corporations that just get by with a little tax evasion, wage theft, and waste.

    And the "effective" corporations that will do anything to corner the market. Including suffocating / buying the "good companies".

    It's a race to the bottom.

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  • [+] -10 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    I am sure there are other options out there than just those two.

    Even if that is the case, quit working for someone and start your own business.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I'm sure your mom and pop outfit will compete very effectively against megacorps that own the marketplaces, advertising outlets, and regulatory framework, hell I'm sure it's a walk in the park to operate at a loss for decades while their lawyers peel back every transaction you process to find the smallest irregularities.

    And that's just assuming they don't send a goonsquad to burn you and your place.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Stay poor then. No one will force you to join society. Go start a commune

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lol it would be difficult for me to stay poor. But great argument, very stirring, really refuted my points and added a lot to think about.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Even if your parents fund the commune, you can still live as a poor person.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Aww that's precious.

    Hey maybe develop a personality?

    It will make you less reactionary when people threaten the status qoe, or at least give you some more interesting sentences to repeat to strangers.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    My personality is like 80% of why I have been so wildly successful in life.

    No one here threatens the status quo because there are insufficient numbers of people who believe this silly shit.

    Personally I find it weird you feel so threatened by me being fine with you living a Walden-esque life of pretend-poverty. Idc what you do man. Knock yourself out.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    Is the other 20% your willingness to dig through 3 day old threads, or your incredible prose? Or is it just assuming everyone who holds a different opinion than you is poor? Oh wait those are all aspects of your personality.

    Btw the people that made this website believe that silly shit.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    It's mostly my incredible prose coupled with my ability to find years-old threads on the internet, but that's because the e-learning community has always done a baller job of documenting solutions.

    I stand on the shoulders of giants.

    Also I don't care what the original devs believed. They made a passable forum but their world views are meaningless.

    Finally, I didn't assume you're poor. I assumed you wanted to pretend you're poor. That's so much worse.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (1 child)

    "Finally, I didn’t assume you’re poor. I assumed you wanted to pretend you’re poor. That’s so much worse."

    "Stay poor then"

    I think you need some more e-learning, preferably somewhere the content is locked so you can't pollute it.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Lmao it's really gonna piss you off to know that I literally develop training programs for major corporations.

    But yeah go be poor if you want. It's your life man. Be a vegan on a commune.

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