▲ 275 ▼ Scientists reconstruct Pink Floyd song by listening to people’s brainwaves (www.theguardian.com) submitted 2 years ago by dan1101@lemm.ee to c/technology@lemmy.world 47 comments fedilink hide all child comments Sound clip is pretty creepy.
[–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) They fire at different rates are though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Any logic gate will fire a different rates depending on how frequently it's fire conditions are met. Still binary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's just plainly wrong. If neurons are "activated" (the binary analogy) it starts firing, but at varying rates depending on how far above it's threshold the activation happened. A bit like an activation level to frequency converter, but non-linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I think we just have different interpretations of the same behavior. I feel like we're describing the exact same thing, just with different definitions. It's common for binary systems to pulse at different frequencies. That's how binary data transmission works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a binary gate reacts to a change in inputs exactly once by adjusting its own state. If the inputs change faster the frequency will change of course, but that's not the point. Neurons will fire pulse trains with different rates for two different inputs that a binary system would both interpret as "on". It's a much more analog and continuous system in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago True but they are rates of events, which could be said to be 0 for nothing and 1 for a spike. That being said there are definitely some things in the way neurons behave that are not very binary, from the potentials driving ion flow to the way certain proteins act. Complex on amazing levels but I'd say it's stil just a gloopy predicting computer. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Any logic gate will fire a different rates depending on how frequently it's fire conditions are met. Still binary. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's just plainly wrong. If neurons are "activated" (the binary analogy) it starts firing, but at varying rates depending on how far above it's threshold the activation happened. A bit like an activation level to frequency converter, but non-linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I think we just have different interpretations of the same behavior. I feel like we're describing the exact same thing, just with different definitions. It's common for binary systems to pulse at different frequencies. That's how binary data transmission works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a binary gate reacts to a change in inputs exactly once by adjusting its own state. If the inputs change faster the frequency will change of course, but that's not the point. Neurons will fire pulse trains with different rates for two different inputs that a binary system would both interpret as "on". It's a much more analog and continuous system in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) That's just plainly wrong. If neurons are "activated" (the binary analogy) it starts firing, but at varying rates depending on how far above it's threshold the activation happened. A bit like an activation level to frequency converter, but non-linear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I think we just have different interpretations of the same behavior. I feel like we're describing the exact same thing, just with different definitions. It's common for binary systems to pulse at different frequencies. That's how binary data transmission works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a binary gate reacts to a change in inputs exactly once by adjusting its own state. If the inputs change faster the frequency will change of course, but that's not the point. Neurons will fire pulse trains with different rates for two different inputs that a binary system would both interpret as "on". It's a much more analog and continuous system in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) I think we just have different interpretations of the same behavior. I feel like we're describing the exact same thing, just with different definitions. It's common for binary systems to pulse at different frequencies. That's how binary data transmission works. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a binary gate reacts to a change in inputs exactly once by adjusting its own state. If the inputs change faster the frequency will change of course, but that's not the point. Neurons will fire pulse trains with different rates for two different inputs that a binary system would both interpret as "on". It's a much more analog and continuous system in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] botengang@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes, but a binary gate reacts to a change in inputs exactly once by adjusting its own state. If the inputs change faster the frequency will change of course, but that's not the point. Neurons will fire pulse trains with different rates for two different inputs that a binary system would both interpret as "on". It's a much more analog and continuous system in that regard. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Steve@communick.news 1 point 2 years ago Again we agree completely, and are just calling the same thing two different things. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 2 points 2 years ago True but they are rates of events, which could be said to be 0 for nothing and 1 for a spike. That being said there are definitely some things in the way neurons behave that are not very binary, from the potentials driving ion flow to the way certain proteins act. Complex on amazing levels but I'd say it's stil just a gloopy predicting computer. permalink fedilink source parent