▲ 255 ▼ Sweden raises its terror threat level to high for fear of attacks following recent Qur'an burnings (www.ctvnews.ca) submitted 3 years ago by DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 151 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (2 children) You don't believe in freedom of speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Is it freedom of speech to deliberately provoke an entire religion just because it is your “right”? It is my freedom to call you all kind of horrible names and slurs, does it mean I have to do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Is it freedom of speech to deliberately provoke an entire religion just because it is your “right”? Yes. That is literally the entire premise: the right to say offensive things. The reason this is important is that everything we say is offensive to someone. If we operated under the principle that we may never offend anyone else, we would all have to be silent, all the time. Free speech is the basis for science and democracy, where saying things which offend people is a requirement. We must always be free to challenge the beliefs and values of others, or we're no better than theocratic dictatorships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) How about we instead respect each other’s beliefs and live happy? Respecting each other can do great stuff and it won’t prevent your from doing science. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago I'm in, but that comes distant second to free speech. If there is a conflict of the two, free speech must always win. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes to the first and no to the second. permalink fedilink source parent [–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's a pretty broad statement. You can't go into an airport and shout "bomb" or use a bullhorn in a residential area at 3 AM without someone calling the cops on you and being detained. You can verbally harass someone to the point of being abusive or lie about someone to defame them but you can face repercussions for it. There's a lot of lines that intersect with freedom of speech. Just because I'm drawing one at hate speech doesn't mean I'm against freedom of speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Just because there is nuanced on the topic doesn't mean that you were nuanced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (2 children) Is it freedom of speech to deliberately provoke an entire religion just because it is your “right”? It is my freedom to call you all kind of horrible names and slurs, does it mean I have to do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Is it freedom of speech to deliberately provoke an entire religion just because it is your “right”? Yes. That is literally the entire premise: the right to say offensive things. The reason this is important is that everything we say is offensive to someone. If we operated under the principle that we may never offend anyone else, we would all have to be silent, all the time. Free speech is the basis for science and democracy, where saying things which offend people is a requirement. We must always be free to challenge the beliefs and values of others, or we're no better than theocratic dictatorships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) How about we instead respect each other’s beliefs and live happy? Respecting each other can do great stuff and it won’t prevent your from doing science. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago I'm in, but that comes distant second to free speech. If there is a conflict of the two, free speech must always win. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes to the first and no to the second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) Is it freedom of speech to deliberately provoke an entire religion just because it is your “right”? Yes. That is literally the entire premise: the right to say offensive things. The reason this is important is that everything we say is offensive to someone. If we operated under the principle that we may never offend anyone else, we would all have to be silent, all the time. Free speech is the basis for science and democracy, where saying things which offend people is a requirement. We must always be free to challenge the beliefs and values of others, or we're no better than theocratic dictatorships. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) How about we instead respect each other’s beliefs and live happy? Respecting each other can do great stuff and it won’t prevent your from doing science. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago I'm in, but that comes distant second to free speech. If there is a conflict of the two, free speech must always win. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klinker@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) How about we instead respect each other’s beliefs and live happy? Respecting each other can do great stuff and it won’t prevent your from doing science. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago I'm in, but that comes distant second to free speech. If there is a conflict of the two, free speech must always win. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JasSmith@kbin.social 1 point 3 years ago I'm in, but that comes distant second to free speech. If there is a conflict of the two, free speech must always win. Every time. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Yes to the first and no to the second. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works 1 point 3 years ago (1 child) That's a pretty broad statement. You can't go into an airport and shout "bomb" or use a bullhorn in a residential area at 3 AM without someone calling the cops on you and being detained. You can verbally harass someone to the point of being abusive or lie about someone to defame them but you can face repercussions for it. There's a lot of lines that intersect with freedom of speech. Just because I'm drawing one at hate speech doesn't mean I'm against freedom of speech. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Just because there is nuanced on the topic doesn't mean that you were nuanced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 point 3 years ago Just because there is nuanced on the topic doesn't mean that you were nuanced. permalink fedilink source parent