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Bitcoin briefly rises to record high over $70,000 (www.reuters.com)
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[+] -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I didn't miss out at something I was never interested in to begin with.

    Also, I have no interest in helping you with your tulips.

    Also, Bitcoin ATMs are a massive rip-off and PITA.

    Huh. Maybe this whole "fiat currency" thing isn't the worst idea then. I can get it out of my bank's ATM from the U.S. dollars in my checking account, they are accepted everywhere in the U.S. And the bank doesn't charge me anything.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Also, Bitcoin ATMs are a massive rip-off and PITA.

    Huh. Maybe this whole "fiat currency" thing isn't the worst idea then. I can get it out of my bank's ATM from the U.S. dollars in my checking account, they are accepted everywhere in the U.S. And the bank doesn't charge me anything.

    Maybe you didn't comprehend the part where I said Bitcoin ATMs are a massive ripoff. I can buy any cryptocoin sitting on my couch at nearly 0% fees, versus the 5-10% the ATMs charge. Like the 2.5-5% fiat ATMs charge. Credit cards are also a massive rip off. Are you out here campaigning against fiat because fiat ATMs and credit cards are a massive rip off, and cash/gift card scams steal more than crypto scams?

    Mass. Adoption.

    The (current) lack of it is the only reason it's such a pain to get into.

    But no worries, my entire back fence is littered with tulips of every color, I don't need any more 😉. I'll take a picture when I get home.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I can buy any cryptocoin sitting on my couch at nearly 0% fees

    Cool. How can you buy a soda at the gas station with it?

    The (current) lack of it is the only reason it’s such a pain to get into.

    Maybe, again, if there weren't a bajillion different cryptocurrencies that almost no one even understands how to use, there would be mass adoption. I have no idea why you expect mass adoption of something so confusing to happen first and then it gets less confusing. That's not how anything works.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    You can use Coinbase or another similar intermediary to convert it to fiat instantly by using the card that comes with those services but still converting it to fiat isn't quite the same as using DOGE coin or the like to buy groceries and I do hear you on that. However , man personally I have made thousands off of crypto. I do like some projects for their utility like Monero and Litecoin but a large percentage of so called "alt" coins and stuff like that don't have any real utility beyond pumping so that's true and I feel like a lot of what makes crypto seem like a waste of time to people. But certain coins have real inherent value and use cases that are beyond what people like me and you probably need. Those use cases are still important to the people who need them though. El Salvador is a good example everyone shit all over that dude for doing mass adoption of bitcoinand for ainute there it did seem like a rough idea but it worked out. I guess that's the thing though everyone who has been in it from the beginning its because it keeps working out. Otherwise, everyone would be out of it and venture capitalist companies wouldn't be buying in the billions. I mean, would you listen to people of they told you something you were up like 700% on was a bad investment?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    personally I have made thousands off of crypto

    And plenty of other people have lost their shirts. This is gambling on tulips.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I knew a dude back in '07 who was real into stocks. Always trying to get me into it and always about it. Checking charts all the time. He ended up losing real bad and killed himself. What is your opinion on stocks?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    My opinion is that I'm not a gambler and my goal in life is not to attain as much material wealth as possible.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But stocks are a respectable trade and Crypto isn't? I noticed you said people who make money on crypto are assholes, do you feel the same way for stockholders? Its just interesting that something you don't like affects every aspect of your life (stocks, and the influence they have on bigger businesses to flourish and add value to our economy). Imagine your world without stocks. That new phone and computer probably wouldn't be here, as a small example. Stocks are no different than Bitcoin other than one isn't connected to a country. But saying neither have value isn't telling the truth.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But stocks are a respectable trade and Crypto isn’t?

    Please quote me saying that.

    do you feel the same way for stockholders?

    People who have their 401ks invested for them? No. People who play the stock market to get rich? Yes.

    I have nothing but contempt for people whose goal it is to increase their material wealth through gambling. Especially the sort of gambling that will likely never really pay off unless you had plenty of wealth to begin with.

    Material wealth as a goal is bad enough to begin with. Rich people making themselves richer by gambling their money on things like the stock market and cryptocurrency are not people I respect.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    The products you consume and use on a daily basis (the proprietary chips in your phone and computer for example) only exist because they made money for shareholders. In other words if those rich people weren't making money on the stocks, the need for innovation would have never been to the point it is at now. And as far as the quote goes that was a question but I can quote where you said that dude avoided "being an asshole" for not making money in something you didn't like (bitcoin). Are you aware that business and free trade as a whole would be completely different without that same market that you hate? Why then call people assholes for investing in things? The venom just doesnt make sense. Also investing your 401K means requiring the services of these same rich folks you are against making money. Just doesn't make sense.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yes, I've heard all that nonsense about how capitalism and rich people are essential for humanity's survival before.

    The things I consume and use on a daily basis could be made by corporations owned by the people who work for them, not owned by people whose sole intent is to enrich themselves.

    You know what capitalism and investment and the stock market has brought us? Planes that crash because stock buybacks are more important than safety.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Not for humanity, but for the new IPhone plus max 12K whatever the fuck comes out next, yes absolutely. And a worker owned factory would have never had the same level of innovation that the stock market has brought us here. Otherwise all the "worker owned" (lol) factories and countries wouldn't be trying to steal our shit all the time. The AI chips and all that shit would have never been, at least this soon, without making shareholders money. I hate it too dude I agree its fucked. But that plane you linked would still be a prototype in a military factory somewhere never seen by civillians if it hadn't been in a position to make tons of money to have it available to the public. I knwo that sucks dude, but that is the truth. To deny it is to lie to yourself. I will say that stocks serve a greater function than crypto there's no doubt to that. But to say one is a big scheme designed to fuck the little guy but the other one isn't is just false. So why can one be celebrated and welcomed by society (otherwise people sure wouldn't spend money on the new IPhone 12K whatever) and the other one people be called an asshole instantly if they think "man wouldn't it have been cool to have been in on that?"

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Why would I give a shit about an unnecessary and wasteful new phone coming out? And why are you calling that innovation? What innovation?

    Also, a huge amount of innovation, including the internet you're using right now, was government-funded.

    It's a myth that capitalism is necessary for innovation.

    You seem very invested (no pun intended) in the idea that gaining material things and money are what people should have as goals.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    The phone thing directly affects competition in the proprietary chip market which affects the phone or laptop or other electronic device you are using to comment on here. The entire system and way of life you live is directly tied to the success of the stock market and in turn economy that system produces. And yes I am very invested in feeding my child, gotta have money to do that. I truly envy those who have never been homeless and have always had family and support to help them, maybe those people wouldn't understand the value of money the same way because they never had to steal for their food or starve. By the way, after I made this argument Bitcoin surpassed silver to become the 8th most valuable asset in the entire world. More than Coca Cola and Pepsi COMBINED. Being upset about it or wishing it didn't exist won't make it go away

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    "Capitalism isn't going anywhere, therefore it is a good thing" is a strange argument.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    "Capitalism affects everything around me that I use daily" is the actual argument. And it does that through the stock market which you said yourself is like a gamble of money. But no, Bitcoin is the problem and everyone's just an asshole if they trade it or make money on it is what you had said to that dude. But not the hedge fund worker you give your 401K to?

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  • [–] -4 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Cool. How can you buy a soda at the gas station with it?

    I can't yet unless I go to a couple smaller foreign mom and pop shops, lack of mass adoption.

    Maybe, again, if there weren't a bajillion different cryptocurrencies that almost no one even understands how to use, there would be mass adoption. I have no idea why you expect mass adoption of something so confusing to happen first and then it gets less confusing. That's not how anything works.

    A few are dominant already, one that's been dominant from the start but isn't the best yet although is improving. Do you worry about the value and exchange rates of every single mineral and resource, of which there are a bajillion? Or do you just follow maybe gold and silver, or do you only follow fiat, and not even invest it?

    Edit: Since you down voted all of my discussion, I returned the favor.

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