▲ 823 ▼ Trump Backs Israel Bombarding Gaza: 'Gotta Finish the Problem' (www.rollingstone.com) submitted 2 years ago by Rapidcreek@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world 501 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 286 points 2 years ago (57 children) Yeah but deciding not to vote for Biden just feels like a good trendy way to express my sympathies with Palestineans... /s permalink fedilink source hideshow 60 child comments replies: [–] Kiryu@lemmy.world 197 points 2 years ago (53 children) I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 68 points 2 years ago (6 children) Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pick one: Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support. Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs. Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war. And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (2 children) Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop. Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc. The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy. But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers. Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (49 replies) [–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 37 points 2 years ago If its a primary then fuck Biden, but if it's the General Election then the blue name on the ballot is who gets the check. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am convinced a good chunk of the "genocide Joe" crew are agents provocateurs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) You're may be right. I assume most of them are 'useful idiots'. They realised western media were often biased, so they switched to 'critical' media, spent more and more time in internet bubbles, and ended up uncritically parroting Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda instead. Same thing happened after 9/11 and Iraq. A lot of people were angry about how biased CNN was, so they switched to channels like Russia Today because it was critical of the US and did genuinely have a lot of good journalism. Of course, that doesn't mean Russia Today isn't propaganda. A lot of these people are forever lost, I don't think you can deprogram them. Also if people use a lot of slogans like "cultural marxism", "Fuck Brandon" or "genocide Joe", without being able to articulate a nuanced position, it's likely they've succumb to newspeak. Newspeak uses an impoverished and simplified vocabulary, to prevent people from critical thinking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies) load more comments (54 replies)
[–] Kiryu@lemmy.world 197 points 2 years ago (53 children) I hope this gets posted in all the leftist boards. People need to understand Biden is a continuation of the United States' wishy-washy policies on Palestinians whereas Trump is pedal to the floor full acceleration towards genocide. Biden has shown he can at least be pressured into taking minor steps in the right direction. Being able to claim moral purity at the expense of a genocided Palestine will ring pretty hollow. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 57 child comments replies: [–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 68 points 2 years ago (6 children) Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pick one: Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support. Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs. Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war. And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies) [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (2 children) Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop. Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc. The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) [–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy. But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers. Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (49 replies)
[–] jkrtn@lemmy.ml 68 points 2 years ago (6 children) Looking forward to what the Republicans cosplaying as leftists use instead of "genocide Joe" now that Donald is calling for a final solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs. permalink fedilink source parent [–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pick one: Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support. Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs. Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war. And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply) load more comments (4 replies)
[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago* It will most likely continue to get used completely unironically along with cheering on the bombs. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children) Pick one: Geriatric Joe, the president too senile to make up his mind on which side to support. Gray-area Joe, the weak president that refuses to take a stance on foreign affairs. Bystander Biden, the president that did nothing to end the Israel-Palestine war. And so forth. They'll always find some other stupid thing to blame him for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago I kinda like Bystander Biden tbh permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (2 children) Plus the fact that Biden is definitively anti Ukrainian genocide, and Trump would not only pull US support of Ukraine, he would actively try to discourage NATO permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop. Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc. The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago I mean if we start talking about all the horrible things that will happen under a Trump presidency, we'll never stop. Until the men with guns put black bags over our heads and shove us into vans in the middle of the night. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 9 points 2 years ago (1 child) The "ppl" pushing the narrative ur complaining about arent on Ukraines side, nor or they on the side of NATO. Theyre busy convincing everyone they can that literally all western news is propaganda and the only true news will come from state sources in russia, china, etc. The goal when engaging that side should, for the sane, anyway, always be not to convert the person ur speaking to, bc even if they arent bots/shills, their bad faith arguments turn aggressive incredibly quickly. Instead, the goal should be to demonstrate to the onlookers the absurdness of the tankie's position, and who it benefits/who is responsible for fabricating the position in the first place. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 12 points 2 years ago (1 child) I mean, Biden absolutely is wishy washy. But he also reversed Trump's policy of saying West Bank settlement is legal, and sanctioned violent Israeli settlers. Obviously Gaza's really bad, but what's happened and happening in the West Bank is also arguably ethnic cleansing. Chasing Palestinians off their land. Trump's a fan. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment load more comments (1 reply)
[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 37 points 2 years ago If its a primary then fuck Biden, but if it's the General Election then the blue name on the ballot is who gets the check. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 24 points 2 years ago (1 child) I am convinced a good chunk of the "genocide Joe" crew are agents provocateurs. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) You're may be right. I assume most of them are 'useful idiots'. They realised western media were often biased, so they switched to 'critical' media, spent more and more time in internet bubbles, and ended up uncritically parroting Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda instead. Same thing happened after 9/11 and Iraq. A lot of people were angry about how biased CNN was, so they switched to channels like Russia Today because it was critical of the US and did genuinely have a lot of good journalism. Of course, that doesn't mean Russia Today isn't propaganda. A lot of these people are forever lost, I don't think you can deprogram them. Also if people use a lot of slogans like "cultural marxism", "Fuck Brandon" or "genocide Joe", without being able to articulate a nuanced position, it's likely they've succumb to newspeak. Newspeak uses an impoverished and simplified vocabulary, to prevent people from critical thinking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)
[–] SevenOfWine@startrek.website 18 points 2 years ago* (2 children) You're may be right. I assume most of them are 'useful idiots'. They realised western media were often biased, so they switched to 'critical' media, spent more and more time in internet bubbles, and ended up uncritically parroting Russian, Chinese or Iranian propaganda instead. Same thing happened after 9/11 and Iraq. A lot of people were angry about how biased CNN was, so they switched to channels like Russia Today because it was critical of the US and did genuinely have a lot of good journalism. Of course, that doesn't mean Russia Today isn't propaganda. A lot of these people are forever lost, I don't think you can deprogram them. Also if people use a lot of slogans like "cultural marxism", "Fuck Brandon" or "genocide Joe", without being able to articulate a nuanced position, it's likely they've succumb to newspeak. Newspeak uses an impoverished and simplified vocabulary, to prevent people from critical thinking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments load more comments (2 replies)