▲ 376 ▼ After Food Aid Massacre, U.N. Expert Accuses Israel of Starving Gaza (www.democracynow.org) submitted 2 years ago by vikingqueef@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 31 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] mellowheat@suppo.fi -7 points 2 years ago (3 children) From the looks of things, the IDF laid a trap for Palestinians. IDF gains nothing from killing Palestinian civilians, so this seems highly doubtful. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] chaogomu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, the IDF has been killing Palestinian civilians en-mass since the start of the war. Using 2000lbs bombs in civilian areas kills civilians. High level Israeli officials have flat out said that the end goal is 100% ethnic cleansing. An Israel completely free of Palestinians. They've been slow rolling the Ethnic Cleansing for decades, but now they have an excuse to speed things up a bit. With the unwavering support of various major powers, Israel can speed run the ethnic cleansing. https://www.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/un-expert-warns-new-instance-mass-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-calls https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/26/settler-violence-israels-ethnic-cleansing-plan-for-the-west-bank https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinians-concept-paper-1.7015576 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Um, the IDF has been killing Palestinian civilians en-mass since the start of the war. Using 2000lbs bombs in civilian areas kills civilians. I think your imagination of how it looks like if a high tech military wants to kill civilians "en-mass" in a highly dense area like Gaza is severely lacking. And I'm not blaming you really, that's not a nice thing to think about. But it does cloud your judgment. What they are actually doing, instead of committing genocide, is prioritising winning the war over causing civilian casualties on the enemy side. Nearly every army does that in a war. We could say to Hamas that this is the cost of starting a war, but that would be of course pointless, since they care even less about civilian casualities than IDF. They prioritize causing global outrage against Israel over their own civilians. Some evidence suggests that's what they're aiming for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh that makes sense. It just looks like ethnic cleansing. It just tastes, smells, sounds and feels like genocide. It's not... But it just looks that way. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then why do they keep doing it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 2 points 2 years ago* Strawman: IDF is committing genocide. Steelman: Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties to generate international outrage. Truth is probably somewhere between these extremes. I'm leaning towards the steelman argument but not heavily. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you been ignoring the entirety of Israeli/Palestinian history? The IDF is a force for genocide. Killing Palestinians is the goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously it is not committing a genocide. They're fighting a city block war inside a highly dense area against an enemy who uses its own civilians as both shields and fodder for creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) And opening fire on civilians grabbing aid, and indiscriminately bombing children, and massacring far more civilians than Hamas ever did proportionally, right? Such a righteous army! Fuck off with Genocide denial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you for perfectly illustrating how they have succeeded in creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Um, the IDF has been killing Palestinian civilians en-mass since the start of the war. Using 2000lbs bombs in civilian areas kills civilians. High level Israeli officials have flat out said that the end goal is 100% ethnic cleansing. An Israel completely free of Palestinians. They've been slow rolling the Ethnic Cleansing for decades, but now they have an excuse to speed things up a bit. With the unwavering support of various major powers, Israel can speed run the ethnic cleansing. https://www.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/un-expert-warns-new-instance-mass-ethnic-cleansing-palestinians-calls https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/26/settler-violence-israels-ethnic-cleansing-plan-for-the-west-bank https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-palestinians-concept-paper-1.7015576 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/16/israel-gaza-mass-evacuation-ethnic-cleansing https://www.democracynow.org/2023/11/10/bartov_genocide_apartheid permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Um, the IDF has been killing Palestinian civilians en-mass since the start of the war. Using 2000lbs bombs in civilian areas kills civilians. I think your imagination of how it looks like if a high tech military wants to kill civilians "en-mass" in a highly dense area like Gaza is severely lacking. And I'm not blaming you really, that's not a nice thing to think about. But it does cloud your judgment. What they are actually doing, instead of committing genocide, is prioritising winning the war over causing civilian casualties on the enemy side. Nearly every army does that in a war. We could say to Hamas that this is the cost of starting a war, but that would be of course pointless, since they care even less about civilian casualities than IDF. They prioritize causing global outrage against Israel over their own civilians. Some evidence suggests that's what they're aiming for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh that makes sense. It just looks like ethnic cleansing. It just tastes, smells, sounds and feels like genocide. It's not... But it just looks that way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -3 points 2 years ago* (2 children) Um, the IDF has been killing Palestinian civilians en-mass since the start of the war. Using 2000lbs bombs in civilian areas kills civilians. I think your imagination of how it looks like if a high tech military wants to kill civilians "en-mass" in a highly dense area like Gaza is severely lacking. And I'm not blaming you really, that's not a nice thing to think about. But it does cloud your judgment. What they are actually doing, instead of committing genocide, is prioritising winning the war over causing civilian casualties on the enemy side. Nearly every army does that in a war. We could say to Hamas that this is the cost of starting a war, but that would be of course pointless, since they care even less about civilian casualities than IDF. They prioritize causing global outrage against Israel over their own civilians. Some evidence suggests that's what they're aiming for. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] Nudding@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh that makes sense. It just looks like ethnic cleansing. It just tastes, smells, sounds and feels like genocide. It's not... But it just looks that way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Oh that makes sense. It just looks like ethnic cleansing. It just tastes, smells, sounds and feels like genocide. It's not... But it just looks that way. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Pwnmode@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Then why do they keep doing it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 2 points 2 years ago* Strawman: IDF is committing genocide. Steelman: Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties to generate international outrage. Truth is probably somewhere between these extremes. I'm leaning towards the steelman argument but not heavily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 2 points 2 years ago* Strawman: IDF is committing genocide. Steelman: Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties to generate international outrage. Truth is probably somewhere between these extremes. I'm leaning towards the steelman argument but not heavily. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Have you been ignoring the entirety of Israeli/Palestinian history? The IDF is a force for genocide. Killing Palestinians is the goal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously it is not committing a genocide. They're fighting a city block war inside a highly dense area against an enemy who uses its own civilians as both shields and fodder for creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) And opening fire on civilians grabbing aid, and indiscriminately bombing children, and massacring far more civilians than Hamas ever did proportionally, right? Such a righteous army! Fuck off with Genocide denial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you for perfectly illustrating how they have succeeded in creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi -1 points 2 years ago (1 child) Obviously it is not committing a genocide. They're fighting a city block war inside a highly dense area against an enemy who uses its own civilians as both shields and fodder for creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) And opening fire on civilians grabbing aid, and indiscriminately bombing children, and massacring far more civilians than Hamas ever did proportionally, right? Such a righteous army! Fuck off with Genocide denial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you for perfectly illustrating how they have succeeded in creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) And opening fire on civilians grabbing aid, and indiscriminately bombing children, and massacring far more civilians than Hamas ever did proportionally, right? Such a righteous army! Fuck off with Genocide denial. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you for perfectly illustrating how they have succeeded in creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Thank you for perfectly illustrating how they have succeeded in creating global rage. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago Yep, the IDF should be abolished and Netanyahu should stand trial for genocide for their atrocities. It's perfectly normal to be outraged by genocide. You don't have to open fire on children getting food! permalink fedilink source parent